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Human Rights in Canada

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1Human Rights in Canada Empty Human Rights in Canada Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:57 pm

grumpy old man

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Interesting debate on another thread about human rights. I thought I'd start a new thread devoted to that discussion. Good discussion!

2Human Rights in Canada Empty Re: Human Rights in Canada Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:18 pm

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We are all hypocrites when it comes to human rights.


Can anyone prove that statement wrong?

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

3Human Rights in Canada Empty Re: Human Rights in Canada Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:44 pm

Deank

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nope

4Human Rights in Canada Empty Re: Human Rights in Canada Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:04 am

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Lets just look at human rights.

Here are a few examples of legislated discrimination that exists in the CANADIAN CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS.

MOBILITY RIGHTS OF CITIZENS /
Right to move and gain livelihood / Limitation / Affirmative action programs.

6. (1) Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in and leave Canada.

(2) Every citizen of Canada and every person who has the status of a permanent resident of Canada has the right
(a) to move to and take up residence in any province; and
(b) to pursue the gaining of a livelihood in any province.

(3) The rights specified in subsection (2) are subject to
(a) any laws or practices of general application in force in a province other than those that discriminate among persons primarily on the basis of province of present or previous residence; and
(b) any laws providing for reasonable residency requirements as a qualification for the receipt of publicly provided social services.

(4) Subsections (2) and (3) do not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration in a province of conditions of individuals in that province who were socially or economically disadvantaged if the rate of employment in that province is below the rate of employment in Canada.

Subsection 4 says that discrimination is allowed if you are socially or economically disadvantaged.

EQUALITY BEFORE AND UNDER LAW AND EQUAL PROTECTION AND BENEFIT OF LAW / Affirmative action programs.

15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
(2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.

Again, Subsection 2 allows discrimination.

Our own charter of rights and freedoms is chock full of discrimination. IMHO Subsection 2 should be removed.

I was looking through the Sun's classifieds and I saw a job at the manitoba metis foundation. looking for an administrative assistant. they give Qualifications, and then state.

PREFERENCE WILL BE GIVEN TO METIS APPLICANTS.

That is discrimination, plain and simple. There is no argument that could ever be given that would make that statement not discriminatory.

TBC later.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

5Human Rights in Canada Empty Re: Human Rights in Canada Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:34 am

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Of course it is discrimination. However any court hearing the issue would rule it congruent to 15 (2). What that subsection did, in effect, was to create a discrimination Industry in Canada.

6Human Rights in Canada Empty Re: Human Rights in Canada Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:35 am

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....the amelioration of conditions ...

Of course, the government knows what's best for us eh...only they can make things better.

7Human Rights in Canada Empty Re: Human Rights in Canada Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:45 pm

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PREFERENCE WILL BE GIVEN TO METIS APPLICANTS

Cause you will be dealing with Metis,s not whitys think this is pretty self explanatory and it isn,t discriminatory unless you do not state it, just practise it . As long as you state the preference of race upfront it is there for all to know before they apply if they do and do not get the job , no case of discrimination.
Why is it most race sensitive jobs do it , if it is not right.

8Human Rights in Canada Empty Re: Human Rights in Canada Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:53 pm

grumpy old man

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Really Pav? What do you think would happen if a medical clinic only wanted to treat WASP's and said so. And then when it went to hire staff the ad would read "preference will be given to WASP candidates"?

I know exactly what would happen. It would be the greatest Indian sh1tstorm we've seen in a long while.

What utter fricken horsesh1te.

9Human Rights in Canada Empty Re: Human Rights in Canada Sun Sep 20, 2009 2:03 pm

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READ THE CLASSIFIEDS tons of jobs state preference would you hire a Metis to run the Polish Club . We are talking jobs not treating patients two different things . And yes if it for the treatment of people medically you would be right , suggest you read and think before you scream horse sh1t.

10Human Rights in Canada Empty Re: Human Rights in Canada Sun Sep 20, 2009 2:42 pm

grumpy old man

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I'll say it again: H-O-R-S-E-S-H-1-T.

If I was hiring for the Polish club and rejected a QUALIFIED candidate then it is discrimination. If a prerequisite was Polish ancestry then it would be discrimination. If the prerequisite required the candidate to speak Polish different story. Unless a Metis that spoke Polish applied...

And... if the prerequisite for an Administrative Admin job at the Manitoba Metis Foundation was the ability to speak English and French and a Polish speaking applicant applied. Not discrimination.

Hey, the city of Winnipeg also practices this discriminatory practice as well.

So. Horsesh1te.

11Human Rights in Canada Empty Re: Human Rights in Canada Sun Sep 20, 2009 3:58 pm

grumpy old man

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Pavolo wrote:READ THE CLASSIFIEDS tons of jobs state preference
Find one. Just one. I'd even accept one that alludes to a discriminatory prerequisite.

12Human Rights in Canada Empty Re: Human Rights in Canada Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:19 pm

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Actually, I've seen ads with that exact line in them, they definitely exist.

13Human Rights in Canada Empty Re: Human Rights in Canada Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:26 pm

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Bartron wrote:Actually, I've seen ads with that exact line in them, they definitely exist.
What line is that? That White people will be given preference? That WASPS will be given preference?

I stand to be corrected - just show me one iz all... Workopolis? Job Monster?

14Human Rights in Canada Empty Re: Human Rights in Canada Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:43 pm

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They are common. However the point is - as Grumpy is emphasizing - that you will never find one that states Italians only need apply. Or males only need apply. Or....I shouldn't have to explain further. What you will find is that jobs are often posted as visible minorities are favoured. On another note - ever notice that the RCMP seems to be made up of about 75% first-tongue French? I called the RCMP yesterday and couldn't understand a word he was saying. That bilingualism nonsense needs to be curbed also. Let me guess - that's a racist statement. I could care less.

15Human Rights in Canada Empty Re: Human Rights in Canada Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:30 pm

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Bartron wrote:Actually, I've seen ads with that exact line in them, they definitely exist.
Thank You ! Preferences are quite often stated that is not prejudice it is a requirement or a stated preference nothing wrong with that . No one would put in an ad stating that all they will hire is a wasp which to me is more offencive then Native or what ever . Grumpy it happens if you want a white guy then state that just don,t say that's all you will hire .
Very few state that a white is all they will hire as they are easier to find , a minority is often more difficult , especially qualified ones .

16Human Rights in Canada Empty Re: Human Rights in Canada Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:40 pm

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And it is still wrong. No matter how you paint it it is still wrong.

There is prejudice out there. We all know that. But it is not 100% pervasive. Millions of Canadians are visible minorities and they go to work every day. They get promoted. They earn excellent salaries.

But if it is okay to say "Natives Preferred" or "Aboriginals are encouraged to apply" why is it NOT okay to blatantly state "Whites Preferred"?

17Human Rights in Canada Empty Re: Human Rights in Canada Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:41 pm

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City of Winnipeg Employment Statement
Aboriginal persons, women, visible minorities, and individuals with disabilities are encouraged to self-declare in their covering letter.

What do you suppose the response would be if this was posted on the city job descriptions:
White men are encouraged to self-declare in their covering letter.

18Human Rights in Canada Empty Re: Human Rights in Canada Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:37 pm

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A church last year got taken to a human rights tribunal/case/whatever because they insisted that someone they were going to hire for a job not pertaining to religion had to be of their religion.

19Human Rights in Canada Empty Re: Human Rights in Canada Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:56 pm

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Grumpy I definitely don't agree with it, just saying that I have seen want ads state that aboriginals will be given preference.

20Human Rights in Canada Empty Re: Human Rights in Canada Sun Sep 20, 2009 10:07 pm

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Have a look at any provincial government job ad and you'll see the following:
Preference will be given to Aboriginal people, visible minorities, and persons with disabilities.
http://www.gov.mb.ca/csc/jobs/admin_clerical/21724.html

I find that unacceptable.

21Human Rights in Canada Empty Re: Human Rights in Canada Sun Sep 20, 2009 10:10 pm

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Bartron wrote:Grumpy I definitely don't agree with it, just saying that I have seen want ads state that aboriginals will be given preference.

Ahhhh. I know that there are several ads that say that. I was challenging you to find one that said the opposite. I think we are in violent agreement.

22Human Rights in Canada Empty Re: Human Rights in Canada Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:03 am

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Haha. They've made Human Rights laws the same way as they made every other laws. No one in their right mind would murder someone... but it happens. It's more of a regulation anyway. Distorted all the time. Epsecially with the 'Aboriginals'.

23Human Rights in Canada Empty Re: Human Rights in Canada Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:19 am

grumpy old man

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Distorted by what? Whom?

24Human Rights in Canada Empty Re: Human Rights in Canada Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:32 pm

Triniman

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Somebody reply already!

25Human Rights in Canada Empty Re: Human Rights in Canada Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:04 pm

death128

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o.o The easiest is the WPS... There's no way in hell I can't find one visibly Aboriginal person in the WPS... There's apparently an older visibly aboriginal couple in the WPS somewhere...

Hmmmm.... that's all I'm about to share at this time... >.<

Edit: I've been saying this for a long time... Not much more I can say about it heh

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