does treatment and programming actually help rehab chronic offenders or is it a waste

We need to listen to James Cotton and give these repeaters time at a rock quarry. They could transfer the pileefrom one end and back to the other for 10 hours a day. The point is - they will learn a work ethic. It's disgusting that we let the politicians continue "studying" the issue of crime. Listen to the damn criminals - our so-called justice system is a joke. As far as I'm concerned - every sentence should be indefinate - only determined when the convict demonstrates that they are a non-threat to the public. That could be a month - that could be 10 years. They will soon learn that taking classes in incarceration (to read and write?, which should be mandatory) will go a long way to demonstrating their sincerity (instead of lifting weights and fighting). The onus needs to be shifted to they. Until then - the joke is on us.

Why is it that anything that involves work is condemned by the bleeding hearts? Boot camps don't work, yet every military in the world uses the same techniques to train soldiers. (Discipline is a key word in that process) Chain gangs don't work because the humliate the offender. The only programs they seem to want to run is to produce more social workers and counsellors. Like we don't have enough?? And just how effective are they if the recidivism rates continue to increase? (Thanks for the word, GOM, it was stuck in my head, but wouldn't come out, some sort of mental constipation)

Key word discipline , never has been there for most offenders .

So let's introduce it in our justice system... Ummm, today.

We need tougher laws so we can shoot more bad guys.