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Manitoba migrant farm workers vote to leave union.

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Winnipeg Free Press
WINNIPEG - Two years after a group of migrant farmers set a national precedent by joining a union, they've voted to de-certify.

The Manitoba Labour Board recently revoked Local 832 United Food and Commercial Workers union's right to be the bargaining representative for Mexican workers at Mayfair Farm in Portage la Prairie, Man.

The labour board ruling followed a unanimous vote against union membership by 26 migrant Mexican workers in June.

``We're very happy about this,'' Heladio Martinez Perez, a migrant worker, said about the decertification.

It was June 2007 when the labour board upheld a vote to join the union, taken the previous fall, by most of the workers at the vegetable and fruit farm in Portage, which is about 80 kilometres west of Winnipeg.

The ruling was applauded by the labour movement, but it shocked the farming community. Mayfair Farm had opposed the certification on the grounds that the workers were not Canadian citizens and not entitled to union membership. Later, the Quebec Labour Board certified migrant workers at three farms in that province.

More than 18,000 workers from Mexico and Caribbean countries are brought to Canada annually to help plant and harvest crops. About 1,000 migrants work in Manitoba. Working conditions have traditionally been set by the Mexican and Canadian governments.

The Mayfair Farm decertification vote wasn't unexpected. Shortly after the historic labour board ruling, most of the workers signed a petition asking for the certification to be overturned on the grounds they didn't understand what they had signed. The board ruled that any decertification vote could only take place one year after a contract had been in place.

A year ago, the union and Mayfair Farm signed a three-year collective agreement, giving the migrant workers annual wage increases tied to the provincial minimum wage, overtime rates, seniority rights and a grievance procedure.

Perez, 42, said despite the benefits from the collective agreement, the workers still wanted to decertify.

The new contract gave the workers 15 cents more an hour over the minimum wage and called for a 25-cent top-up in 2010.

``We were making only 15 cents more an hour, and we had to pay the union $4 a week in union dues,'' Perez said.

Perez has been coming to Canada as a migrant farm worker for 18 years, the last 16 at the vegetable and fruit farm in Portage la Prairie.

He said the workers were disenchanted with the overtime provisions. It meant they earned an additional $1 hour for working more than the regular 70-hour work week, Perez said, but no one earned overtime because the employer capped their work week at 70 hours to avoid the overtime payments.

``The overtime was very important to us,'' Perez said. ``Now, without the union, we can work longer hours, and we even get a bonus sometimes.''
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grumpy old man

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Wha??? Those Mexicans must be stupid. The union is there to help them. De-certify indeed. Pffffftttt.

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``We were making only 15 cents more an hour, and we had to pay the union $4 a week in union dues,'' Perez said.

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LOL...the Mexican guy gets it....

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Mr Mexican I stand up and applaud you for decertifying, you did the right thing!Eleven years I paid my UFCW union dues, trusted in the pension they provided and was a good little soldier. Now due to some shifty maneuvering by Maple Leaf Meats and the UFCW they tell me my pension assets are frozen and likely won't receive a penny of it. Take your unions and shove it where the sun don't shine.....

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Who cares, they can't vote in provincial elections anyway. Very Happy

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", Perez said, but no one earned overtime because the employer capped their work week at 70 hours to avoid the overtime payments.
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holy crap 70 hour work week! someone should sue!!!

oh wait they are farmers 70 is actually a little low.

Freeman

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Still waiting to hear what the UFCW has to say about all this. Seems that they didn't understand what they were signing when the signed on. Now, if an employer pulled a stunt like that, charges would be laid. Still waiting Premier Donothing.

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Freeman

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What, huh??? There are actually people who can squeak out a living without being part of a union? Maybe the union doesn't keep me strong.

LivingDead

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I've said it before, Unions are bad.. Mkay.


We have legislation now days to protect workers. Its not like back in the day when 11 year old boys would work in coal mines for ten cents a day.

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LMFAO, so because the employer is taking advantage of this cheap labour pool and cutting back their hours in a shamefull attempt to avoid paying overtime (after 70 hours weekly? WTF) somehow you guys draw the conclusion that unions are bad? Lol, some messed up logic there.

Pardon me if my math is not so great, but these guys working 70 hours a week were earning an additional $10/week - $4/week in union dues = $6/week more than they were getting before the contract. If the employer was not a total a-hole (IMHO) and didn't cut their hours they would be earning far more than they were before unionizing.

From where I sit it appears the greed lies with the employer not the union. WE should be appalled that we have people working in this province for 70/hrs a week with no overtime. Absolutely disgusting to take advantage of these people simply because it's "better than the alternative" in Mexico.

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Pardon me if my math is not so great, but these guys working 70 hours a week were earning an additional $10/week - $4/week in union dues = $6/week more than they were getting before the contract. If the employer was not a total a-hole (IMHO) and didn't cut their hours they would be earning far more than they were before unionizing.

Close.... I was thinking that too.. then remembered taxes would further cut the $6 and not being Canadians (and this part I have no clue since I am Canadian) I assume they dont file taxes so they cant get the corresponding rebate from the union dues?

And then to take it even further... they now no longer get the overtime ( at regular salary mind you) that they were getting before so sure they make a little more per hour.. but now get less hours so in the end, they end up paying the union dues and take a pay hit.

Rather crappy that there are rules saying that they must wait one year before voting on decertification. But I can totally see the logic on that and assume its the same for certifying attempts.. ie they must be one year apart?

BUT... we have to remember this is farm work. Any overtime for farm work is well, quite frankly batshit crazy.

The big issue though is that these guys are only making freakin minimum wage for this work. OUCH now thats got to hurt.

Freeman

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Actually, the best line in the whole article is "Shortly after the historic labour board ruling, most of the workers signed a petition asking for the certification to be overturned on the grounds they didn't understand what they had signed."

Is that how unions certify, by not fully explaining what its all about? Something to be proud of. Solidarity forever.

Herer's another good line "The overtime was very important to us,'' Perez said. ``Now, without the union, we can work longer hours, and we even get a bonus sometimes.'' Nothing like listening to the membership, is there?

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Do you believe everything you read at all time Freeman? Perhaps that shortly after they certified they probably lost their overtime may have had something to do with wanting to decertify....just a bit of food for thought. In some places that could be misconstrued as blackmail, unless of course it's being used as a tool to keep cheap labour in check then I guess it's ok in some people's minds.

I truly feel these migrant workers are being extremely taken advantage of, and instead of looking at ways to improve their working conditions we're blaming the one party that tried (and failed) to improve the situation for them due to an employer who was obviously intent on keeping the situation from changing by any means necessary.

"but no one earned overtime because the employer capped their work week at 70 hours to avoid the overtime payments"

Seriously, when you have workers putting in 70hrs+ a week is it really going to make or break your operation to pay them $1/hr more for every hour past 70hrs? Cutting the overtime was clearly used as a means to break the union and regain control over their cheap labour pool.

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18,000 foreigners working 70 hours per week, living in air conditioned comfort, no mosquitoes, all executive positions, and taking all of their money back to help out with their families. Eating filet mignon, with fancy salads, unlimited beer, pepsi and 7 UP- oops got the wrong area
SHAME !

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Freeman

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No, I don't believe everything I read. As a matter of fact, one day I was handed a brochure about the benefits of being part of a union and I certainly didn't believe that. Kind of cuts both ways doesn't it?

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rosencrentz wrote:18,000 foreigners working 70 hours per week, living in air conditioned comfort, no mosquitoes, all executive positions, and taking all of their money back to help out with their families. Eating filet mignon, with fancy salads, unlimited beer, pepsi and 7 UP- oops got the wrong area
SHAME !

What? Can someone please translate?

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mix the total number of workers across canada, with this current issue, with rosen's BBQ...

toss them in a dryer for about 10 minutes and you get the above quote.

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Oh horror...an employer/owner wants to control their workers and money?

That's like saying a homeowner can't decide what colour to paint his house.

As stated before...there are enough regulations and government interference that unions (99% of the time) are unneeded, useless, and quite honestly just get in the way.

Did you listen during the "swine flu epidemic" where they banned the Mexicans from coming to Canada to work? How all the immigrant worker businesses who import these workers were crying it was killing their profits.

Most farmers have a narrow margin of profit each year...and considering the expenses of equipment, labour, materials, etc...most anything they do to save money is probably reasonable.

These migrant workers know what they are supposed to get paid before they come. They know what their friends/family have made before them...and expect that to return back to their country...and typically work their ass off to get it.

What's REALLY sad...is that we can't take all these scumbag gang members...and drop them on these farms to work off a sentence. I'd support that proposition in a heartbeat... "Ok Mr. Gang Member...here is your choice...minimum sentence of 10 years in prison for stealing that car...or 2 full seasons working this farm out here...picking a minimum of X amount of product per day."

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If I owned a farm, I wouldn't want those guy on my property. But I agree with your sentiment. (imo, we should have a litter-free city because of chain-gangs)

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"If I owned a farm, I wouldn't want those guy on my property"

State run farms with all the produce going to the soup kitchens then.

Freeman

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Deank wrote:"If I owned a farm, I wouldn't want those guy on my property"

State run farms with all the produce going to the soup kitchens then.


Commie bastard.

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DIRTY Commie bastard. Get it right! Wink

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Especially true cause we're referring to DeanK.

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