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Almost 70% of MB. prison inmates aboriginal in 2007/08: report

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AGEsAces wrote:Do you really think they would've found out that guy was innocent had they executed him?

Probably not...and justice would've been considered "served" because the case would've been closed...instead of perpetual appeal.

I'm not saying I don't feel bad for the guy getting wrongly convicted...it's obvious major mistakes were made...and a thorough investigation not completed. But there was reason to believe he was guilty...enough that they put him in prison.
No, not at all. Many peeps have been convicted because the police had tunnel vision, hid exculpatory evidence, while the crown did not disclose everything to the defence.

The last overturned wrongful conviction in Manitoba (can't recall his name) demonstrated that the "good guys" did just about everything they could to get a conviction.

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And I agree...if the prosecution actually has to PROVE a case...then the death-penalty should be off the table.

But if you take cases like that idiot on the Greyhound bus, or the moron who let his kids freeze to death...by all means...there should be no hesitation...have a trial...present the evidence...then take the scum out back and shoot them in the head.

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Deank

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bullets cost money.

starvation is far more inhumane and cheaper.

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AGEsAces wrote:...or the moron who let his kids freeze to death...by all means...there should be no hesitation...have a trial...present the evidence...then take the scum out back and shoot them in the head.
Now you just wait a minute. That man had a difficult childhood. He deserves a break. Shame on you. Shame! Smile

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grumpy old man wrote:
AGEsAces wrote:Do you really think they would've found out that guy was innocent had they executed him?

Probably not...and justice would've been considered "served" because the case would've been closed...instead of perpetual appeal.

I'm not saying I don't feel bad for the guy getting wrongly convicted...it's obvious major mistakes were made...and a thorough investigation not completed. But there was reason to believe he was guilty...enough that they put him in prison.
No, not at all. Many peeps have been convicted because the police had tunnel vision, hid exculpatory evidence, while the crown did not disclose everything to the defence.

The last overturned wrongful conviction in Manitoba (can't recall his name) demonstrated that the "good guys" did just about everything they could to get a conviction.

All the more reason for a 3 strikes rule at minimum for violent offenders. What are the odds of being wrongfully convicted 3 times? Astronomical that anybody would find themselves in that situation accidentaly 3 times.

I also agree with GOM in adding the death penalty for offenders where there is overwhelming proof of guilt for crimes such as murder, rape etc. IE. multiple witness's like the Vince Li case, bodies found in accused's possesion, etc. Examples such as those warrant a quick and appeal free execution.

Two very simple changes that would bring some much needed justice back to the legal system.

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The bleeding hearts say the death penalty does not prevent murders. Ummm, so?

I guess many Canadians are asking for vengeance instead of compassion. Punishment in lieu of reform.

The three strikes rule works for me. As does zero time off for good behaviour. And double, triple time for time served...

Do the crime and do the time.

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My hubby and I were thinking of taking the kids to "Kids Fringe" on Saturday, driving would be a hassle so we were thinking of taking the bus. To be honest, I am nervous to take my little ones downtown. The downtown, core and north end are so violent lately. Something needs to be done so people can once again start enjoying the city.

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I just fail to see how as a society we benefit at all from warehousing repeat violent offenders and murderers. I think as a whole it's far better for society as whole to permanently remove human waste like them once and for all. Presto, one less piece of garbage left to come back to the streets and pick up where they left off. Some of these inmates have rap sheets that include 5, 10 or even more violent crimes. What benefit does society gain by keeping these guys around?

I agree with giving a second chance to turn their life around, but once they have proven themselves incapable of accepting societies assistance to change...well, then we may as well remove them from the gene pool.

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Deank wrote:bullets cost money.

starvation is far more inhumane and cheaper.
And costs more. Takes too long.

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Goth_chic wrote:My hubby and I were thinking of taking the kids to "Kids Fringe" on Saturday, driving would be a hassle so we were thinking of taking the bus. To be honest, I am nervous to take my little ones downtown. The downtown, core and north end are so violent lately. Something needs to be done so people can once again start enjoying the city.

I was having the exact same conversation with a co-worker this morning. He dreads going downtown. Hates the panhandlers and drunks. I park downtown all the time when I go to concerts, save for MTS Centre shows when I just take the bus. Nothing has happended to me or my car...yet.

My friend thinks there ought to be more cops on patrol in the Exchange district.
I'd say you are probably pretty save during the day or when out and about with lots of other folks around you. I walk through the area when there's virtually no one around and I've never been accosted or felt afraid.

More cops, more arrests of violent people, and under my system of justic, fast-track executions. And for those who suddenly "find God," we execute them anyway, as a means of helping them "meet their maker."

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Goth_chic wrote:My hubby and I were thinking of taking the kids to "Kids Fringe" on Saturday, driving would be a hassle so we were thinking of taking the bus. To be honest, I am nervous to take my little ones downtown. The downtown, core and north end are so violent lately. Something needs to be done so people can once again start enjoying the city.

There is never any problem when there are lots of people around. I went to Broadway for lunch today on my bike and stopped at Market Square on the way home. Nice little concert going on, lots of little ones, beers for Mommy and Daddy. Go, you'll love it!!

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Besides the punks that pose a danger are mostly cowards and don't like too many people around.

What say though that the next time these punks target anyone we mass after them and beat them within an inch of their lives. In self defence of course.

And frick the police and other bleeding hearts that might rail against such self-defence... Time to take back Winnipeg.

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Triniman wrote:
Deank wrote:bullets cost money.

starvation is far more inhumane and cheaper.
And costs more. Takes too long.

how does it cost more? who said anyone had to watch the perp. put them in their coffin, lock the coffin shut. drill one air hole.
done
wait 4 weeks and bury them with a quick check to ensure death happened.

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grumpy old man wrote:Besides the punks that pose a danger are mostly cowards and don't like too many people around.

What say though that the next time these punks target anyone we mass after them and beat them within an inch of their lives. In self defence of course.

And frick the police and other bleeding hearts that might rail against such self-defence... Time to take back Winnipeg.

Now you're talking.

Ever notice politicians dangle a few perpetual carrots to get our vote? "Tough on crime," and Chrentien's favorite - "jobs, jobs, jobs."

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Justice Minister Dave Chomiak (its funny even saying that) is trying to present a tough on crime position. No meat to it, just more socialist fluff. Heard him going on about a new police cadet program. Sounds like a good idea, but how does that translate into tought on crime. He also touted the immobilizer program to reduce auto theft. OK, seems to be working, but how is that tough on crime? Tough on crime means getting tough on the crtiminals, Dave, not just making us pay more. Wake up.

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Tough on crime is so much bullcrap. Shoo at a policeman and get a tough 14 year sentence, and spend 2 1/2 years in jail. Nottough when you look at that!

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Freeman wrote:Justice Minister Dave Chomiak (its funny even saying that) is trying to present a tough on crime position. No meat to it, just more socialist fluff. Heard him going on about a new police cadet program. Sounds like a good idea, but how does that translate into tought on crime. He also touted the immobilizer program to reduce auto theft. OK, seems to be working, but how is that tough on crime? Tough on crime means getting tough on the crtiminals, Dave, not just making us pay more. Wake up.
To bad he can,t change federal statutes as most violent crime is under federal rule, and we all know where successive governments have gone there .
Including the present one yes they try and blame the opposition but what they are proposing is not enough .

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What they are proposing is not enough? That is NOT what they vetoed the first time my friend. They said it was too tough.

Let's not play politics with this issue. If it is not enough we stop it? Come on. That is such horsesh1te. Take the changes now and WORK to improve/fix/change/what-fricking-ever them.

God this frustrates me so.

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The only real substantive mesure is the doing away with the time served clause Grumpy which I fully support . The rest is basicly window dressing that looks like we getting tough with the issue .

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I don't agree Pavolo. The first effort two or three years ago had teeth. The Opposition Liberals, NDP and Bloc opposed it because they felt it was too tough.

Google "liberals oppose crime bill Canada" and see for yourself.

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When I was in the pennitentiary, there were about 2/3 native! nothing has changed in the last 40 years. The aboriginals are obviously breaking the law and are spending some leisure time for their crimes . What is the big deal? What is the issue?

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