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Almost 70% of MB. prison inmates aboriginal in 2007/08: report

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By Paul Turenne, SUN MEDIA

Aboriginal people accounted for more than two-thirds of adult inmates in Manitoba in 2007-08, according to data released by Statistics Canada this morning.

The report shows that during the period studied — April 1, 2007, to March 31, 2008 — 69% of incarcerated adults in Manitoba were Aboriginal.

That's more than five times the percentage of Aboriginal people in the province's general population, which stands at 12%.

Aboriginal incarceration rates varied immensely across Canada, ranging from 81% in Saskatchewan to 1% in P.E.I.

The Western provinces and the territories all had very high rates compared with Ontario, Quebec and Atlantic Canada, even considering the relatively lower Aboriginal populations in those provinces.

The study also compared Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal offenders using factors such as age, employment and education, and concluded that those factors "can only partially explain the representation of Aboriginal adults incarcerated in Canadian prisons ... The analysis suggests that other factors, such as income, housing and rehabilitative needs may be involved."

Nationally, Statistics Canada says aboriginal adults made up 22% of those behind bars — even though they comprise just 3% of the national population.

For both native and non-native adults aged 20 to 34, incarceration rates dropped off as education and income levels improved.

But comparative decreases were greater for non-natives.

In Saskatchewan, aboriginal adults accounted for 81% of those in jail — but just 11% of the general population.

With file from The Canadian Press

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I'm not surprised. I have a friend who is a prison guard and she has told me that most of the inmates are aboriginal.

Triniman

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If the laws could be changed, there would be a logical and practical way to reduce the percentage - fastrack executions for violent offenders.

Capital punishment does not discourage criminals, but so what? If it permanently takes the worst criminals off the streets, then it is well worth it.

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Triniman wrote:If the laws could be changed, there would be a logical and practical way to reduce the percentage - fastrack executions for violent offenders.

Capital punishment does not discourage criminals, but so what? If it permanently takes the worst criminals off the streets, then it is well worth it.

After 20 years of appeals and millions of dollars wasted.

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I agree wholeheartedly with Trini, at the very least a "3 strike" rule for violent offenders. It may not deter but it slowly eliminates the problem.

Triniman

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Bartron wrote:
Triniman wrote:If the laws could be changed, there would be a logical and practical way to reduce the percentage - fastrack executions for violent offenders.

Capital punishment does not discourage criminals, but so what? If it permanently takes the worst criminals off the streets, then it is well worth it.

After 20 years of appeals and millions of dollars wasted.

No 20 year appeals if the laws are changed to fast-track violent offenders. Save millions of dollars. Maybe even mitigate the need to build more prisons.

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Triniman wrote:
Bartron wrote:
Triniman wrote:If the laws could be changed, there would be a logical and practical way to reduce the percentage - fastrack executions for violent offenders.

Capital punishment does not discourage criminals, but so what? If it permanently takes the worst criminals off the streets, then it is well worth it.

After 20 years of appeals and millions of dollars wasted.

No 20 year appeals if the laws are changed to fast-track violent offenders. Save millions of dollars. Maybe even mitigate the need to build more prisons.

Well if that's the case, I agree too!

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Triniman wrote:If the laws could be changed, there would be a logical and practical way to reduce the percentage - fastrack executions for violent offenders.

Capital punishment does not discourage criminals, but so what? If it permanently takes the worst criminals off the streets, then it is well worth it.
This should particularly be applied to "young" violent offenders who have nothing else to look forward to but a life of crime, violence, and prisons.

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Oh you mean like laughing beeyotch??? What a waste of humanity she is.

http://www.granhotelflores.blogspot.com

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eViL tRoLl wrote:
Triniman wrote:If the laws could be changed, there would be a logical and practical way to reduce the percentage - fastrack executions for violent offenders.

Capital punishment does not discourage criminals, but so what? If it permanently takes the worst criminals off the streets, then it is well worth it.
This should particularly be applied to "young" violent offenders who have nothing else to look forward to but a life of crime, violence, and prisons.

Yep. Agreed.

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Miz point wrote:Oh you mean like laughing beeyotch??? What a waste of humanity she is.

Who is that?

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Laughing girl.....just in the news back in April and May.....the one who had not one iota of guilt for the heinous vioence she engaged in. There was a thread about her

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She was in the stolen SUV that slammed into a cab killing the cabbie. She is called laughing girl because of her complete lack of guilt and shame she displayed in the weeks afterward.

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grumpy old man wrote:She was in the stolen SUV that slammed into a cab killing the cabbie. She is called laughing girl because of her complete lack of guilt and shame she displayed in the weeks afterward.

Not only should they create a fast-track law but they could even name after her and then make her the first one executed.

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What if the Sophonov mistake is made , at least if life is life then if we are wrong it is not final.

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How about the 2 examples of a waste of humanity that are being held in the murder of the Stafford girl? Just as many examples for as against.

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natives/blacks/the poor/aliens/whatever makes up blah blah blah percentage of the prison population but only blah blah blah percent of the entire country population.


and? whats the point exactly? Without the comparative

Natives/blacks/aliens/whatever DO XXX percentage of the crimes then that statistic means nothing.


Say for instance... it was Natives did 25% of the crimes but make up 68% of the prison population. Well then we would have two things to actually complain about. 3% of the population causing 25% of the crimes, something seriously needs to be looked at and... WHAT they only commit 25% of the crimes yet make up 68% of the population!!! something is wrong here!.... but even then without knowing what crimes they are committing you still cant really make anything out of it.

The only true comparison is taking 1000 cases where NON NATIVES committed crime X and 1000 cases where NATIVEs committed crime X and then comparing the resultant sentence, IN the same province, preferably even in the same court house.


When it comes time to decide what amount of time for the crime, which group is it again that gets special treatment as mandated by the supreme court??

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Don't forget some people get time off for their unfortunate upbringing.

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eViL tRoLl wrote:
Triniman wrote:If the laws could be changed, there would be a logical and practical way to reduce the percentage - fastrack executions for violent offenders.

Capital punishment does not discourage criminals, but so what? If it permanently takes the worst criminals off the streets, then it is well worth it.
This should particularly be applied to "young" violent offenders who have nothing else to look forward to but a life of crime, violence, and prisons.

Agreed. This needs to be adressed, and soon, if Winnipeg/Manitoba wants to become a more safer environment ( I'm talking about aboriginal issues)

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All of Canada needs to start treating hard core criminals as hard core criminals. Yup sometimes people mess up and can actually straighten out, no doubt about that.

But it seems Canada's justice system is geared towards thinking that everyone wants to straighten out, which is far far far from reality.

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Freeman wrote:How about the 2 examples of a waste of humanity that are being held in the murder of the Stafford girl? Just as many examples for as against.
Yes And they would spend life behind bars , and people swore Tom was guilty . Funny how many years later did they find out they were wrong . I agree it is easier to hang shoot them but it will never return in this country even the present goverment is against it . This nation would swallow life as life though .

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You're right of course. Innocent peeps get convicted all too frequently. I support capital punishment but there has to be incontrovertible evidence. Absent 100% undeniable proof lock them up for their entire life. Without privileges such as TV. And food.

But, if a police officer or crown attorney is found to have manipulated evidence that resulted in a wrongful conviction they are to be prosecuted under the full weight of the law with a significant penalty as a consequence if found guilty. No more hiding behind the skirts of justice.

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grumpy old man wrote:You're right of course. Innocent peeps get convicted all too frequently. I support capital punishment but there has to be incontrovertible evidence. Absent 100% undeniable proof lock them up for their entire life. Without privileges such as TV. And food.

But, if a police officer or crown attorney is found to have manipulated evidence that resulted in a wrongful conviction they are to be prosecuted under the full weight of the law with a significant penalty as a consequence if found guilty. No more hiding behind the skirts of justice.

spending the amount of time the non guilty person did in jail in the same cell(s) should be severe enough

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Do you really think they would've found out that guy was innocent had they executed him?

Probably not...and justice would've been considered "served" because the case would've been closed...instead of perpetual appeal.

I'm not saying I don't feel bad for the guy getting wrongly convicted...it's obvious major mistakes were made...and a thorough investigation not completed. But there was reason to believe he was guilty...enough that they put him in prison.

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AGEsAces wrote:Do you really think they would've found out that guy was innocent had they executed him?

Probably not...and justice would've been considered "served" because the case would've been closed...instead of perpetual appeal.

I'm not saying I don't feel bad for the guy getting wrongly convicted...it's obvious major mistakes were made...and a thorough investigation not completed. But there was reason to believe he was guilty...enough that they put him in prison.
No, not at all. Many peeps have been convicted because the police had tunnel vision, hid exculpatory evidence, while the crown did not disclose everything to the defence.

The last overturned wrongful conviction in Manitoba (can't recall his name) demonstrated that the "good guys" did just about everything they could to get a conviction.

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