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guide dog legislation?

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1guide dog legislation? Empty guide dog legislation? Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:10 am

Deank

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I caught a blurb on Breakfast television this morning. Something about the province introducing legislation that would institute fines for anyone who interferes with a guide/helper animal/dog. Or something like that
here is the CJOB blurb on it
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http://www.cjob.com/News/Local/Story.aspx?ID=1101122
Legislation introduces fines for touching service dogs

6/9/2009

Touching, feeding or otherwise impeding service animals in Manitoba will soon be a fineable offence.

NDP MLA Sharon Blady says the new legislation is aimed at protecting animals such as seeing eye dogs or police sniffer dogs from being interfered with while they're trying to do their jobs.

A first offence could see a fine as high as five-thousand dollars and a second offence could net the offender a fine of up to 10-thousand dollars.

The legislation also allows judges to order offenders to pay compensation to the animal's owner for loss or damage.
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2guide dog legislation? Empty Re: guide dog legislation? Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:13 am

JT Estoban

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......and how often does something like this happen where actual legislation is required??

Seriously?

3guide dog legislation? Empty Re: guide dog legislation? Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:14 am

Deank

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just freakin wow. Anyone have a clue where this legislation came from? Aren't those fines and such a little out of touch with reality? So basically if my son see's a guide dog on the bug or street and goes to pet it, and I dont stop him in time. WAMO! I get a fine of up to $5000 AND i could be forced to pay compensation to the owner of the dog?

Since when has this gotten to be such a problem that we need this type of legislation? I wonder how long before Doer legislates the proper way to brush your teeth?

4guide dog legislation? Empty Re: guide dog legislation? Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:17 am

Deank

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I am thinking maybe.... something came from the way some criminals did something to a police dog... but Jesus Christ Almighty! what a shotgun approach to the matter..

but maybe thats the point, if they only offered up legislation to protect police dogs, this might die before seeing the light of day. But throw in the "service dogs" that are not police dogs.. and there is not a single MLA that will vote against it.

5guide dog legislation? Empty Re: guide dog legislation? Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:17 am

grumpy old man

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This is what we get when we elect idiots. Seems the NDP have an over-abundance of idiots...

There are so very many more important issues at hand to address yet we waste time on this crap.

6guide dog legislation? Empty Re: guide dog legislation? Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:19 am

Deank

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The amount of the fine just blows me away. 5K first offense, 10K second offense?

7guide dog legislation? Empty Re: guide dog legislation? Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:58 am

Guest

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I think they packaged the two together to pass....guide dogs with police dogs, to be able to fine people who fool with the POLICE!!! imo

8guide dog legislation? Empty Re: guide dog legislation? Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:59 am

Deank

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Why would the police dogs have a larger sense of worth then the actual officers?

9guide dog legislation? Empty Re: guide dog legislation? Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:08 am

Guest

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They don't.

This is about people that put out pepper or other substances in an attempt to screw with sniffer-dogs. Before this, there was nothing to charge them with.

10guide dog legislation? Empty Re: guide dog legislation? Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:14 am

Deank

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you mess with a cop doing his duty you get maybe a day in jail
mess with a cops dog.. you get fined 5K and must pay restitution?

11guide dog legislation? Empty Re: guide dog legislation? Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:14 am

Freeman

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I read the legislation. If one of those dogs craps on your front lawn, you're not allowed to clean it up, but must fence off a 10 x 10 area and protect the crap until it naturally composts into your lawn. Maximum fine, $250.

12guide dog legislation? Empty Re: guide dog legislation? Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:15 am

Guest

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It's all about the money....still.

13guide dog legislation? Empty Re: guide dog legislation? Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:49 pm

wolfrom

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The bill as it is written is incredibly vague. There is no requirement on the part of the service animal's handler to notify an individual that their actions constitute interference, and no discrimination between accidental or unwitting interference versus willful or reckless interference.

If a child pets a guide dog, even if the handler does not ask the child to stop, the child would immediately be guilty of an offense. As the purpose of service animal legislation is usually to protect against abusive interference or attacks by pets, I would hope that this vagueness would be remedied before it were ever to be passed into law.

http://www.reganwolfrom.ca/

14guide dog legislation? Empty Re: guide dog legislation? Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:54 pm

grumpy old man

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I'm not sure we even need a law? How big a problem is this?

Oh, and welcome to the sandbox wolfrom.

15guide dog legislation? Empty Re: guide dog legislation? Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:36 pm

wolfrom

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Thanks for the welcome.

I haven't personally heard of any Manitoba incidents, but I know that there were problems in Minnesota with guide dogs being attacked by off-leash dogs along busy streets.

I'm not aware of specific lobbying for this legislation outside of the Winnipeg Police Service, so I do wonder if it's to meet an identified need or if it's meant as a PR move. Strange PR move, though.

http://www.reganwolfrom.ca/

16guide dog legislation? Empty Re: guide dog legislation? Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:52 pm

rosencrentz

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I think that it is illegal to tie your horse to a fire hydrant!

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17guide dog legislation? Empty Re: guide dog legislation? Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:07 pm

Deank

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wolfrom wrote:The bill as it is written is incredibly vague. There is no requirement on the part of the service animal's handler to notify an individual that their actions constitute interference, and no discrimination between accidental or unwitting interference versus willful or reckless interference.

If a child pets a guide dog, even if the handler does not ask the child to stop, the child would immediately be guilty of an offense. As the purpose of service animal legislation is usually to protect against abusive interference or attacks by pets, I would hope that this vagueness would be remedied before it were ever to be passed into law.

yup some of the bigger problems with this legislation for sure.

gonna be nice to start removing some of this legislation when we get the communists out and a real party in.

18guide dog legislation? Empty Re: guide dog legislation? Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:14 pm

Deank

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Hey Hey wolfrom

Thought that picture looked familiar.. Glad to see someone else not hiding behind a fake name.

19guide dog legislation? Empty Re: guide dog legislation? Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:55 am

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Yes. Welcome.

20guide dog legislation? Empty Re: guide dog legislation? Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:43 pm

wolfrom

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Thanks for the welcome. Hopefully I won't cause too much trouble.

http://www.reganwolfrom.ca/

21guide dog legislation? Empty Re: guide dog legislation? Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:45 pm

grumpy old man

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Not sure you can. We is pretty tolerant here. I am however a huge troublemaker. They've tried to bar me but I won't go away.

22guide dog legislation? Empty Re: guide dog legislation? Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:52 pm

Triniman

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No more frivolous laws! What a joke.

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