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Feds to introduce legislation to remove 2 for 1 credit for pretrial

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Deank

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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/03/25/prison-credit.html

Let's see the NDP and Liberals refuse to back that.

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Yes it is time for this as it never should have been started in the begining , enough of the hug me feel good system we have had.

grumpy old man

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The Manitoba Party will be TOUGH TOUGH TOUGH on crime. Whatever is allowed provincially will be implemented.

Deank

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Very tough on crime.. with a few redefinations of what is crime.

rosencrentz

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It amazes me the difference in the U.S. as compared to Canada the amount of jail time given out, especially in crimes against kids and women, although in the case of women, they usually "had it coming"! lol
Not funny and I do not mean it!
2 or 3 years for sexual assault! Have to be found guily 3 times before any real jail time! Injustice sysytem at its worst!

http://www.elansofas.com

grumpy old man

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Any more like that rosen and I'm afraid we'll banish you to the dark side... Very Happy

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Sad to say the province can do really do not much about this as it is under a federal statute , hence it is up to the feds. This mesure will pass I believe as all want to appear tough on crime .

8Feds to introduce legislation to remove 2 for 1 credit for pretrial Empty Double-time credit target Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:58 am

grumpy old man

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Conservatives to introduce legislation

By KATHLEEN HARRIS, NATIONAL BUREAU CHIEF

OTTAWA -- The Conservative government wants to scrap the double-time jail credit often awarded to criminals awaiting trial or sentence -- a move applauded by cops and victims' groups but condemned as futile "symbolism" by critics.

"It won't make us safer, it will crowd the prisons, it will remove an important bargaining chip that the Crown uses to clear backlogs and it will tie the hands of judges who want to settle cases," said Frank Addario, president of Ontario's Criminal Lawyers Association.

"It will reduce the number of guilty pleas and it will reward governments for keeping detentions that are unhealthy and overcrowded."

Addario said the double credit for so-called "dead time" is not automatic, and judges do not grant it if the accused is deemed to be abusing the system by deliberately dragging out proceedings.

But Justice Minister Rob Nicholson said the longstanding practice is clogging up courts and provincial detention centres.

Victims groups and ordinary Canadians have also called for the change to ensure punishment fits the crime.

"I think there are many people across this country, myself included, who would like to see more truth in sentencing in the sense that the sentence you get is the sentence you will serve," he said. "This is a step in the right direction and it will have a beneficial effect right across the system."

Nicholson is confident the legislation, to be tabled tomorrow, will comply with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

But NDP MP Joe Comartin insisted the law must leave some discretion for judges in order to survive a charter challenge.

He said many people endure dismal, overcrowded conditions for extended periods pre-trial and should get credit for that suffering.

"As long as we continue to have prisons that are of that nature, we have to reserve that right for judges to do that," he said. "It's a way for them to send a very clear message and they've done it on a number of occasions.

"They've said we cannot incarcerate people under these circumstance in a society as wealthy as Canada's based on the values that we're based on."

grumpy old man

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This Addario knob disingenuously argues it removes a Crown bargaining chip. Heh heh. More like a defence attorney delay tactic leading to what appears to be an automatic double-time credit despite protestations to the contrary. I've heard triple time credits are rearing their heads.
"It won't make us safer, it will crowd the prisons, it will remove an important bargaining chip that the Crown uses to clear backlogs and it will tie the hands of judges who want to settle cases," said Frank Addario, president of Ontario's Criminal Lawyers Association.

"It will reduce the number of guilty pleas and it will reward governments for keeping detentions that are unhealthy and overcrowded."

grumpy old man

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Keep voting for the NDP folks. This is what you get. And frankly we don't deserve the likes of this bozo.
But NDP MP Joe Comartin insisted the law must leave some discretion for judges in order to survive a charter challenge.

He said many people endure dismal, overcrowded conditions for extended periods pre-trial and should get credit for that suffering.

"As long as we continue to have prisons that are of that nature, we have to reserve that right for judges to do that," he said. "It's a way for them to send a very clear message and they've done it on a number of occasions.

"They've said we cannot incarcerate people under these circumstance in a society as wealthy as Canada's based on the values that we're based on."

many people endure dismal, overcrowded conditions for extended periods pre-trial and should get credit for that suffering
SUFFER? Geeze Mr. Clown, they would not "suffer" if they simply behaved themselves. What kind of prisons should we build to suit this fricken moron?

Man, these idiots really need to give their heads a real shake.

Freeman

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Commie Bastard. When will he figure out that going to jail is voluntary? Don't want to do the time, don't do the crime.

Deank

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why start a new thread for this?

Freeman

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I dunno, ask a moderator!!

FlyingRat

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Is there another thread to merge it with?

Deank

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there might be

FlyingRat

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merged

Deank

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I understand the reasoning behind 2 for 1 credit. HOWEVER... the moment the defense asks for even one single continuance or delay the 2 for 1 should be removed. The fact that a judge CAN deny the 2 for 1 is moot considering it happens to very rarely.

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