Remember, they hate us because we're free!

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/05/14/afghanistan/index.html


"If we're actually worried about inflaming anti-American sentiment and
endangering our troops, we might want to re-consider whether we should
keep doing the things that actually spawn "anti-American sentiment" and
put American soldiers in danger. We might, for instance, want to stop
invading, bombing and occupying Muslim countries and imprisoning their
citizens with no charges by the thousands. But exploiting concerns
over "anti-American sentiment" to vest our own government leaders with
the power to cover-up evidence of wrongdoing is as incoherent as it is
dangerous. Who actually thinks that the solution to anti-American
sentiment is to hide evidence of our wrongdoing rather than ceasing the
conduct that causes that sentiment in the first place?"

Good job as always Glenn!

So, stop being free, convert to a overtly police state (like Bush was trying to do), does that mean they'll stop hating the USA?

Uh...no?

If you stop renditioning people, torturing them and invading their countries to exploit their energy/natural resources and stop giving Israel unquestioning support ...that'll put a huge dent in this issue.

what natural resources does afghanistan have?

poppies

For one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Afghanistan_Pipeline

Afghanistan is also a major producer of opium....which comes in handy when the CIA sells it to fund it's "projects"....

Other natural resources include:
natural gas, petroleum, coal, copper, uranium, gold, silver, chromite, talc, barites, sulfur, lead, zinc, iron ore, salt, precious and semiprecious stones.

The big money is in the natural gas, petrol and coal.

heh... damn you noticed the pipeline eh? most people dont know about that being a major item the rest of the resources are really not that much and the CIA has mostly (I thought) got out of the opium no?

JT Estoban wrote:...stop giving Israel unquestioning support ...that'll put a huge dent in this issue.

Oops. Not sure what this has to do with the price of tea in China.

This little chestnut rears its head all too frequently. I fear this has nothing to do with much of the anti-US hate yet there it is eh?

To tell the US to stop supporting an ally is no different that the US telling Iran how to run its country. Or Libya. Afghanistan.

Through my readings on the interwebs, they say they've stopped using the poppy trade, however it's more likly they just got better at covering their tracks. I'll have to take a look around for more info on that front.

But it's fair to say, that the opium trade has not diminished since the invasion, in fact, it's actually gotten bigger. So someone is buying it...and considering we're not hearing about any huge drug busts in and around that region, well, you can come to your own conclusion!

"Based on UNODC
data, there has been more opium poppy cultivation in each of the past
four growing seasons (2004-2007), than in any one year during Taliban
rule. Also, more land is now used for opium in Afghanistan, than for
coca cultivation in Latin America. In 2007, 93% of the opiates on the
world market originated in Afghanistan.
This amounts to an export value of about $4 billion, with a quarter
being earned by opium farmers and the rest going to district officials,
insurgents, warlords and drug traffickers.
In the seven years (1994-2000) prior to a Taliban opium ban, the Afghan
farmers' share of gross income from opium was divided among 200,000
families.<sup>"

link:</sup> here

the Indians, Iranians and Chinese are using quite a bit more Opium in these last few years from reports I am reading.

grumpy old man wrote:Oops. Not sure what this has to do with the price of tea in China.

This little chestnut rears its head all too frequently. I fear this has nothing to do with much of the anti-US hate yet there it is eh?

To tell the US to stop supporting an ally is no different that the US telling Iran how to run its country. Or Libya. Afghanistan.

The only reason I include that nasty little topic (conversations get ugly when ever anyone talks about it, that's why I call it nasty) is that when ever anyone asks the Arab world for a list of grievances they have with the U.S., guess what's either at the top of, or near that top of the list? Unquestioning support for Israel.

Found the report I was reading the other day:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13524

"Loretta Napoleoni has argued that there is an ISI-backed Islamist drug
route of al Qaeda allies across North Central Asia, reaching from
Tajikistan and Uzbekistan through Azerbaijan and Turkey to Kosovo.[32]
Dennis Dayle, a former top-level DEA agent in the Middle East, has
corroborated the CIA interest in that region’s drug connection. I was
present when he told an anti-drug conference that "In my 30-year
history in the Drug Enforcement Administration and related agencies,
the major targets of my investigations almost invariably turned out to
be working for the CIA."

JT Estoban wrote:

grumpy old man wrote:Oops. Not sure what this has to do with the price of tea in China.

This little chestnut rears its head all too frequently. I fear this has nothing to do with much of the anti-US hate yet there it is eh?

To tell the US to stop supporting an ally is no different that the US telling Iran how to run its country. Or Libya. Afghanistan.

The only reason I include that nasty little topic (conversations get ugly when ever anyone talks about it, that's why I call it nasty) is that when ever anyone asks the Arab world for a list of grievances they have with the U.S., guess what's either at the top of, or near that top of the list? Unquestioning support for Israel.

So, a very large contributor to the dislike of the US is their support of Israel. Puts it all into perspective doesn't it?

I knew the jewish problem would be the answer! Better to have another country run by some despot or King than a modern , somewhat progressive country, that is democratic.
Democracy in the mideast is an embarassment for all the other countries. And then you have to attack their pizza parlours with bombs strapped to males who are looking for what every young male looks for, 72 virgins!

And now we are accused of being to close an freind the US.

This is from the freeman newsdesk and has been uncensored by him .

Pavolo wrote:And now we are accused of being to close an freind the US.

Please use the Pavolo to English Translator 1.0.

Somebody is in a bad mood .

Pav, if you're going to go on an all night binge, have a couple of hours sleep before you start posting. You're not making a lot of sense right now.

I swear that Pav types 200 words a minute. He's so fast that when an idea starts to form in his head, it's on the page instantly....un-edited.
That's another thing I love about Winnipeg. Pav is here.

So, a very large contributor to the dislike of the US is their support of Israel. Puts it all into perspective doesn't it?

And now we are accused of being to close an freind of the US.


Any easier for you brain think it will come to you.

Pavolo wrote:Somebody is in a bad mood .

Heh heh. Not at all. It's Friday. I think you'll know when I'm in a bad mood. I'll use the words frick and a$$hole a lot...

Oh, and I was looking for an understanding of the post prior...

Is this what you tried to say?

And now we are accused of being TOO close A FRIEND of the US.

Pavolo wrote:So, a very large contributor to the dislike of the US is their support of Israel. Puts it all into perspective doesn't it?

And now we are accused of being to close an freind of the US.


Any easier for you brain think it will come to you.

Who made that accusation?

Freeman wrote:

JT Estoban wrote:

grumpy old man wrote:Oops. Not sure what this has to do with the price of tea in China.

This little chestnut rears its head all too frequently. I fear this has nothing to do with much of the anti-US hate yet there it is eh?

To tell the US to stop supporting an ally is no different that the US telling Iran how to run its country. Or Libya. Afghanistan.

The only reason I include that nasty little topic (conversations get ugly when ever anyone talks about it, that's why I call it nasty) is that when ever anyone asks the Arab world for a list of grievances they have with the U.S., guess what's either at the top of, or near that top of the list? Unquestioning support for Israel.

So, a very large contributor to the dislike of the US is their support of Israel. Puts it all into perspective doesn't it?

Who said what, doe,s not matter this is the statement as I was responding to okay.

Here we go again. Let me take the discussion step by step.
1) Bartron points out that one of top reasons that Arabs dislike the US is because of their support for Israel.
2) I reinforce the point that, in spite of other reasons, Arabs express one of their main reason to dislike the US because of their support for Israel, so much of their dislike is because the Arabs dislike anyone who supports Israel.
3) You make the comment and somehow try to attribute it to me, that we, and I assume you refer to Canada, are being accused of being "to close an friend of the US."
4) I call you to clarify your statement and you dodge answering it with "Who said what, doe,s not matter".

I really enjoy having discussions, but it would be nice if you would discuss the subject at hand.