what constitutes a hate crime in Canada?

inciting murder against a group? sure... thats a hate crime.

inciting geonocide? well hell yeah thats a hate crime

comparing a certain group to Nazis? well actually frick no.. that aint no hate crime.
http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/canada/2009/01/14/8015421-sun.html

unfricken real is all I can say... apparently the Canadian Jewish congress thinks that comparing jews or israelis to nazi's is a hate crime. Wow..can you imagine if that one passes a court test? What a fricken joke. When groups like that make statements like that it only goes to show out of step with reality they are and how useless they are as organizations.

Only the chiefs can determine what constitutes a hate crime. Me saying that is probably a hate crime.

the labels of racism or hate crimes or discrimination are all thrown around way too easily these days.

AdamX wrote:the labels of racism or hate crimes or discrimination are all thrown around way too easily these days.

You're probably just saying that because I'm a middle aged, white, Anglo male with no visible handicap.

"the labels of racism or hate crimes or discrimination are all thrown around way too easily these days."

just a little.

HOWEVER, I do agree if the protestors were calling for the killing of Jewish or Israelie people that is indeed a "hate" crime.


funny how you can kill people only of a certain ethnicity because thats all that lives in a certain area and that is fine, but calling for the killing of them is not. Stupid society having its values all completely messed up.

Yea imagine calling for a killing , gee are we messed up to bad we can't clean up the mess.

Deank wrote:
HOWEVER, I do agree if the protestors were calling for the killing of Jewish or Israelie people that is indeed a "hate" crime.

I disagree, I think individual people in a crowd like that are going to say all kinds of things. People are entitled to thier opinions, no one is forcing us to agree with them and anyone who didnt like what they were hearing could leave or not listen.
I make racist and stereotypical jokes all the time, the people around me know its a joke and they make jokes about me right back I consider myself far from racist and dont think anyone i know could really be called racist either. Political correctness can only go so far before it becomes ridiculous.

The only case i would agree is if it was the leaders of the rally or someone important, up making a speech or talking to the media or leading everyone to chant "Death to the jews!" or something. In that kind of a case then yeah, inciting hatred.

so just you or I walking down the street chanting "Death to the Jews" is not a hate crime because we are not the leader of a group?
Why would you need to be the leader of the group? To me that does not make sense.

So, if you go walking down the street chanting "Go Leafs Go", would that be considered a hate crime, or mobbing?

maybe kill all leafs fans

since they are an easily indentifiable group.

(you know they are the people that look like rednecks.. but wear blue sweaters and pretend to know something about hockey)

If you check the Criminal Code of Canada, killing a Maple Leaf fan is not considered a crime at all.

its specifically in there eh? Huh who would have thunk people from Quebec are good for something after all..

innumberate prussians and antique redskins must never question the chosen story.
kill off humans is the official policy of the global rulers and tribes marked fer extinction must bend over.

tock wrote:innumberate prussians and antique redskins must never question the chosen story.
kill off humans is the official policy of the global rulers and tribes marked fer extinction must bend over.

bend over? seems like a harsh way...not that there's anything wrong with that .

AGEsAces wrote:

tock wrote:innumberate prussians and antique redskins must never question the chosen story.
kill off humans is the official policy of the global rulers and tribes marked fer extinction must bend over.

bend over? seems like a harsh way...not that there's anything wrong with that .

never mind harsh.. it seems pretty shitty

It depends... does he mean bend over and take it, or bend over and kiss their ass goodbye?

Depends whether you or them is bending .

I would say that imploring others to kill a certain race is indeed a hate crime. It matters not if it is due to heightened passions. Best be careful with that kind of talk.

Deank wrote:so just you or I walking down the street chanting "Death to the Jews" is not a hate crime because we are not the leader of a group?

nope, why would it? If i decide to go walking down the street chanting "death to the jews" i can do that as long as i damn well please. i'm not hurting anyone else, i'm not inciting a mob to acts of violence or hate, most reasonable people would point and laugh at me or give me wierd looks and think "what a nutcase..."

Someone doesnt happen to agree with me then they can open a dialogue with me and we can debate the issue, or they can ignore me and continue on their merry way with thier own opinions and beleifs. thats the beauty of a free country where one can (supposedly) have the freedom to thier own opinions and beleifs and the freedom to express those opinions and beleifs as long as it doesnt infringe on other's rights.

it may be against many peoples morals and inspire some rightous indignant anger towards me if i do that, but a crime? hardly.

i should note, for those that cant tell, i'm in no way saying i beleive that all jews should die or anything like that, and i disagree with people who go to rallies and shout that kind of stuff... i just dont think its a crime, and i'm pretty sick of all the political correctness in todays society and how easily words like racism, hate crime, discrimination, etc. are thrown around and the amount of attention they get for relatively insignificant issues.

Trouble is you may find the words innocuous but some nutbar might decide you inspire him and he'll go kill someone.

exactly


for the record I think everyone should die. at least once.

well the trouble with that line of thinking is that people should be responsible for thier own actions.

if some guy's buddy tells him that his wife is cheating on him and he goes home in a fit of rage and kills her. Does the buddy who told him also get charged as an accomplice? after all it would not have happened if he had kept his mouth shut and stuck to regular and appropriate small talk.

why should it be any different if i happen to walk down a street saying kill jews and some nutbar goes and kills a jew? he is the one with issues who decided to kill someone. my words cant make someone do something unless they consciously decide to do it.

"why should it be any different if i happen to walk down a street saying kill jews and some nutbar goes and kills a jew? "

because we have laws against that.

And for the record if the friend knew for certain that the information would cause the husband to kill the wife, he could in fact be charged.

if we are really worried about hate crimes and inspiring people to voilence and hate, why is there no public outcry against black rappers who sing about killing whitey? their words are going out to millions of impressionable young people.

In that case its considered artistic expression but if i say "death to jews" or "kill the ni**ers" out loud then its a hate crime?