so the hydro tower aparently is 65% efficent not 60 quite the feat for a build its size
if anyone cares about this random tidbit thats made its way to me
if anyone cares about this random tidbit thats made its way to me
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2 Re: hydro tower Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:57 am
Guest
Guest
Yes it is quite the peice of work and shows that we can be better with this world . We have to people the status qou is not working never has .
3 Re: hydro tower Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:21 am
grumpy old man
administrator
Fixed it for ya pav...
How efficient is an average new building? Any idea how Hydro achieved 65% efficiency? And what was the premium?
Yes it is quite the piece of work and shows that we can be better with this world. We have to people, the status quo is not working, never has.
How efficient is an average new building? Any idea how Hydro achieved 65% efficiency? And what was the premium?
4 Re: hydro tower Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:50 am
eastsider
contributor plus
Grumpy, I imagine it cost millions and millions extra to be so efficient, makes you wonder when the break even point will be and this "efficiency" will actually start paying off.I know several construction guys that are working or have worked in the building, they were working with technology they had never tried before, it took so much extra time for them......almost a nightmare building to erect they claimed.
5 Re: hydro tower Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:52 am
Guest
Guest
I believe this initial stage is somewhat misleading. As the newness of the building wears off and all the politicans stop coming for tours, the associated hot air loss will affect the numbers.
7 Re: hydro tower Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:42 am
Electrician
general-contributor
No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Hydro Tower!!!
YOU GOTTA WAIT for the heavy downpours...
THEN you'll see the hydro efficiency soar way up there with drain piped water forcing the turbines to move and thus produce electricity.
The Hydro Tower!!!
YOU GOTTA WAIT for the heavy downpours...
THEN you'll see the hydro efficiency soar way up there with drain piped water forcing the turbines to move and thus produce electricity.
8 Re: hydro tower Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:55 am
Deank
contributor eminence
well the "new" technology was tried in a number of different buildings and places around the city before hyrdo implemented them on such a huge scale. good for them 65% savings instead of 60..
9 Re: hydro tower Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:53 am
cherenkov
contributor plus
It is quite the building: 1 point off LEED Platinum (would have been first in Canada) designation. They positioned the building to harness prevailing winds to assist air circulation in the building, it maximizes outside light, with minimal use of overhead lights (just personal desk lights when needed), double-layered glass walls, a water feature to control humidity, etc...
There is no way they would have built it like this, if they had their own way. But ... it's good to see I guess.
There is no way they would have built it like this, if they had their own way. But ... it's good to see I guess.
10 Re: hydro tower Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:06 pm
FlyingRat
moderator
Thanks Mr Point for the info and the great pic! Welcome to the sandbox!
11 Re: hydro tower Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:34 pm
Mr_Point
newbie
i had no idea u guys had wonderd off and started another one miz point mentioned something about dimsum meet might be there or not depends if i'm working or not but txs
as for office buildings most waste crazy amounts of energy
as for office buildings most waste crazy amounts of energy
12 Re: hydro tower Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:25 pm
FlyingRat
moderator
cherenkov wrote:It is quite the building: 1 point off LEED Platinum (would have been first in Canada) designation. They positioned the building to harness prevailing winds to assist air circulation in the building, it maximizes outside light, with minimal use of overhead lights (just personal desk lights when needed), double-layered glass walls, a water feature to control humidity, etc...
There is no way they would have built it like this, if they had their own way. But ... it's good to see I guess.
Whaddaya mean "if they had their way"? Manitoba Hydro are the champions of power smart and high efficiency. It serves hydro well to be the shining example. I'm sure the overhead of all the extras will pay for themselves well before the useful life of the building, and that's just the monetary costs! The benefit to the environment starts day one!
Think green!
14 Re: hydro tower Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:34 pm
FlyingRat
moderator
Probably because the tower wasn't located in Calgary! 
15 Re: hydro tower Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:36 pm
FlyingRat
moderator
Actually, here are the LEED levels:
Certified - 26-32 points
Silver - 33-38 points
Gold - 39-51 points
Platinum - 52-69 points
points are earning for the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadership_in_Energy_and_Environmental_Design#Point_rating
So there are a number of things which could have been done to achieve the Platium, however, 51 points in nothing to sneeze at.
Certified - 26-32 points
Silver - 33-38 points
Gold - 39-51 points
Platinum - 52-69 points
points are earning for the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadership_in_Energy_and_Environmental_Design#Point_rating
So there are a number of things which could have been done to achieve the Platium, however, 51 points in nothing to sneeze at.
16 Re: hydro tower Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:38 pm
Guest
Guest
These types of buildings are getting to be the norm elsewhere like Europe as the world is starting to think Green. Thanks Grumpy too early in the morning
17 Re: hydro tower Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:44 pm
Mr_Point
newbie
some of the stuff that gets points for leeds are purly stupid though and useles
but yea we should realy hammer the wrha for not going leeds on their new digs on main.....
but yea we should realy hammer the wrha for not going leeds on their new digs on main.....
18 Re: hydro tower Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:48 am
Guest
Guest
They were going to but , not enough left for them too . After all Hydro is the example not the norm in goverment buildings.
19 Re: hydro tower Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:03 am
Guest
Guest
Mr_Point wrote:some of the stuff that gets points for leeds are purly stupid though and useles
but yea we should realy hammer the wrha for not going leeds on their new digs on main.....
I suspect the reason they didn't was because for every LEEDS point, they were told they could hire 450 more administrative staff. Top level pay usually is affected by the number of your employees....connect the dots?
I LEEDS building will give you dick in terms of income, while staff on the other hand will make you bucks.
20 Re: hydro tower Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:55 pm
cherenkov
contributor plus
From a cost/benefit point of view it probably doesn't make sense to build a super green office tower. In fact, it probably didn't make sense to build an office tower at all -- it was just part of the deal in purchasing Winnipeg Hydro. A private company maximizing profits probably would not have built that building.FlyingRat wrote:Whaddaya mean "if they had their way"? Manitoba Hydro are the champions of power smart and high efficiency. It serves hydro well to be the shining example. I'm sure the overhead of all the extras will pay for themselves well before the useful life of the building, and that's just the monetary costs! The benefit to the environment starts day one!
Think green!
21 Re: hydro tower Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:49 pm
FlyingRat
moderator
Why would it probably not make sense to build super green? I'm sure the costs and benefits were weighed... anyone got a source?
But in abstract terms, if you put down extra cash in the beginning of a project for reduced running costs over the long term, that extra cost is going to pay for itself at some point. They're going to get heating/cooling/lighting for a greatly reduced cost, especially when you consider that heating and cooling for standard buildings will generally increase over time.
I'm sure there will be a big press release on the day the green technology pays for itself.
But in abstract terms, if you put down extra cash in the beginning of a project for reduced running costs over the long term, that extra cost is going to pay for itself at some point. They're going to get heating/cooling/lighting for a greatly reduced cost, especially when you consider that heating and cooling for standard buildings will generally increase over time.
I'm sure there will be a big press release on the day the green technology pays for itself.
22 Re: hydro tower Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:45 am
AGEsAces
moderator
Mr_Point wrote:some of the stuff that gets points for leeds are purly stupid though and useles
but yea we should realy hammer the wrha for not going leeds on their new digs on main.....
If the WRHA is funded by government...then ALL new construction is required to be LEED compliant.
There are several levels of LEED, though to get government funding, LEED Silver is all that's required.
23 Re: hydro tower Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:48 pm
Mr_Point
newbie
none of the ne wrha buildings are leed though
24 Re: hydro tower Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:58 pm
AGEsAces
moderator
Mr_Point wrote:none of the ne wrha buildings are leed though
Are the new (ground-up) construction? or renovation/addition?
Only new construction is REQUIRED to be LEED to get government funding.
25 Re: hydro tower Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:00 pm
Mr_Point
newbie
lets see...
their new hidious building on portage
and then theres their building on north main niether of them are leeds anything
their new hidious building on portage
and then theres their building on north main niether of them are leeds anything
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