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Brodbeck and the Arts

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1Brodbeck and the Arts Empty Brodbeck and the Arts Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:23 am

grumpy old man

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Rare for me to agree with Brodbeck, but in his latest blog he is on the attack against art's community grants and taking shots from that community for his position. And I agree with his position. As do I R U Seriou's rebuttal to a Policy Frog attack.

Read it here for yourself. Column. Blog.

Then MsC from the darkside disses Brodbeck. As does Policy Frog. On the other side of the debate is R U Sirius.

Good times...

2Brodbeck and the Arts Empty Re: Brodbeck and the Arts Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:43 am

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wow Tom's blog has some way wacked comments on it...

check out Cathy's comments at
09/04/2009 @ 01:42

3Brodbeck and the Arts Empty Re: Brodbeck and the Arts Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:43 am

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Bafflegab, I believe, is what that is called...

Well you see Tom, the existence of man precedes his essence. By which we mean that there is no certainty as to the commonality of humans, or "human nature" as it is often referred. Unlike an invention such as say, a paper-cutter, man is not first conceived and then produced but rather, we come into existence and then must we discover and decide for ourselves what we shall be and what our values should be. There are no values but those upon which we decide, and we only place value on a given idea through action. There is a great responsibility in all of this because when choosing our own values, we are also making a statement to the world of what it is that we believe all should value. By choosing the action of supporting the arts, and more specifically the local arts, one is asserting value to the citizens of Winnipeg, as it is they who shall reap the harvest sown by the artists. Artists do not create for their own sake alone.

See what our generous funding begets???

4Brodbeck and the Arts Empty Re: Brodbeck and the Arts Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:01 am

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If art funding wasn't so corrupt in this town, it would be funny.

The city has no business be involved in arts funding. It is used (quite extensively btw) as a slush fund for friends only.

It is time to open up this farce to reality.

5Brodbeck and the Arts Empty Re: Brodbeck and the Arts Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:06 am

Deank

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time to apply for a nose picking sclupture. I figure about 150k should cover it. I will build a model of the Winnipeg City Council meeting room floor using only 100% snot hand picked from the nose of Winnipegers.

6Brodbeck and the Arts Empty Re: Brodbeck and the Arts Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:07 am

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grumpy old man wrote:Bafflegab, I believe, is what that is called...

Well you see Tom, the existence of man precedes his essence. By which we mean that there is no certainty as to the commonality of humans, or "human nature" as it is often referred. Unlike an invention such as say, a paper-cutter, man is not first conceived and then produced but rather, we come into existence and then must we discover and decide for ourselves what we shall be and what our values should be. There are no values but those upon which we decide, and we only place value on a given idea through action. There is a great responsibility in all of this because when choosing our own values, we are also making a statement to the world of what it is that we believe all should value. By choosing the action of supporting the arts, and more specifically the local arts, one is asserting value to the citizens of Winnipeg, as it is they who shall reap the harvest sown by the artists. Artists do not create for their own sake alone.

See what our generous funding begets???

I believe that there is a course taught on grant funding gobbledegook.

BTW, it looks like some 'artists' use their grant money to buy drugs eh, judging by the coherency of the post.

7Brodbeck and the Arts Empty Re: Brodbeck and the Arts Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:32 pm

Miz point

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Ahhhh what else is grant money good for.....dope is highly inspirational right?

http://www.granhotelflores.blogspot.com

8Brodbeck and the Arts Empty Re: Brodbeck and the Arts Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:36 pm

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Naw. It only helps with the tediousness of fulfilling that inspiration. Wink

9Brodbeck and the Arts Empty Re: Brodbeck and the Arts Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:38 pm

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sure is some wacky arguements going back and forth there right now. one guy dont let his kids use public parks and he homeschools them becauase he does not want to use public money.. and all this other stuff....

WTF??? does not let his kids use public parks? oooo yeah there is a stable parent
I wonder what streets and sidewalks the dude uses?

10Brodbeck and the Arts Empty Re: Brodbeck and the Arts Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:05 pm

grumpy old man

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The guy is so full of sh1t. He is making it up as he goes along.

11Brodbeck and the Arts Empty Re: Brodbeck and the Arts Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:09 pm

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Sorta like applying for an arts grant

12Brodbeck and the Arts Empty Re: Brodbeck and the Arts Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:59 am

grumpy old man

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From the "two sides to every story" philosophy there is an outstanding
feature in today's Winnipeg Free Press that well articulates the
unusual vibrancy of Winnipeg's art's community.

It is true that many factors contribute to define a place. Winnipeg
simply would not be the Winnipeg we know and love today without the
contribution of the art's community. That said so too has the Winnipeg
professional and amateur sport's community contributed to making
Winnipeg Winnipeg.

This is why seemingly unrelated developments such as a new museum and
football stadium are important. If we had not invested in similar
ventures 50 years ago we might not look so fondly on today's Winnipeg.

However I still do not necessarily support a $2,000 grant directly to
John Smith's puppet show. I will support a $2,000 grant to the Manitoba
Theatre for Young People. I also support a similar grant to the
Bourkevale Community Centre.

13Brodbeck and the Arts Empty Re: Brodbeck and the Arts Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:12 pm

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yes the grants bussiness is a strange dammed if you do dammed if you don't type of thing.

14Brodbeck and the Arts Empty Re: Brodbeck and the Arts Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:23 pm

Miz point

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We call speaking "bureaucratese"....a particular language in and of itself.

http://www.granhotelflores.blogspot.com

15Brodbeck and the Arts Empty Re: Brodbeck and the Arts Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:10 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:It is true that many factors contribute to define a place. Winnipeg simply would not be the Winnipeg we know and love today without the
contribution of the art's community. That said so too has the Winnipeg
professional and amateur sport's community contributed to making
Winnipeg Winnipeg.

The same can be said about every major city, no?

16Brodbeck and the Arts Empty Re: Brodbeck and the Arts Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:12 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:If we had not invested in similar
ventures 50 years ago we might not look so fondly on today's Winnipeg.

What similar ventures do you mean?

17Brodbeck and the Arts Empty Re: Brodbeck and the Arts Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:12 pm

grumpy old man

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Ummm, of course?

18Brodbeck and the Arts Empty Re: Brodbeck and the Arts Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:14 pm

grumpy old man

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Museums and hockey rinks. Concert halls and Football stadiums.

19Brodbeck and the Arts Empty Re: Brodbeck and the Arts Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:34 pm

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There is a big difference between a grant to a community center and a grant to an individual; something that is being overlooked in this debate here.

20Brodbeck and the Arts Empty Re: Brodbeck and the Arts Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:48 pm

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They can't see that.

21Brodbeck and the Arts Empty Re: Brodbeck and the Arts Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:03 pm

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My daughter runs an art gallery , Gallery 803, which is aimed at showing local Winnipeg artists. She sent me her comments for my information, and since I haven't done any posting today, I was trying to see if I could skip a day, I thought that an artists' side would be interesting!
It is easy to criticize and very easy to pick on artists. What do we know what is or should be supported? If the city sends X number of dollars to a group to be distributed for projects, then so be it!
I can tell you that selling an artists 1st works ever is such a great feeling! These are young Manitobans, youn Winnipegers and whatever we can do to help them, should be done!


"The comments are very interesting. Also funny is that somebody dug up that Tom Brodbeck is VP at Bourkevale Community Club, and which received thousands of dollars in funding for ice-making, social events, a hallowe'en party, etc. last year.

NOTE** Artists numbers 5 (Sylvia Matas) and 6 (Paul Robles) are showing here at the gallery this year.

Number 1 (Daniel Barrow) is a good friend of mine, he just did a talk about his recent work in New York to a packed house, he works full time at the PlugIn Gallery downtown (the PlugIn is the gallery that borrowed our furniture, PlugIn is also Canada's only contemporary art gallery to achieve museum status, allowing them to bring in the same calibre of work as the Winnipeg Art Gallery, and any other major art gallery across Canada."

http://www.elansofas.com

22Brodbeck and the Arts Empty Re: Brodbeck and the Arts Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:08 pm

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rosencrentz wrote:My daughter runs an art gallery , Gallery 803, which is aimed at showing local Winnipeg artists. She sent me her comments for my information, and since I haven't done any posting today, I was trying to see if I could skip a day, I thought that an artists' side would be interesting!
It is easy to criticize and very easy to pick on artists. What do we know what is or should be supported? If the city sends X number of dollars to a group to be distributed for projects, then so be it!
I can tell you that selling an artists 1st works ever is such a great feeling! These are young Manitobans, youn Winnipegers and whatever we can do to help them, should be done!


"The comments are very interesting. Also funny is that somebody dug up that Tom Brodbeck is VP at Bourkevale Community Club, and which received thousands of dollars in funding for ice-making, social events, a hallowe'en party, etc. last year.

NOTE** Artists numbers 5 (Sylvia Matas) and 6 (Paul Robles) are showing here at the gallery this year.

Number 1 (Daniel Barrow) is a good friend of mine, he just did a talk about his recent work in New York to a packed house, he works full time at the PlugIn Gallery downtown (the PlugIn is the gallery that borrowed our furniture, PlugIn is also Canada's only contemporary art gallery to achieve museum status, allowing them to bring in the same calibre of work as the Winnipeg Art Gallery, and any other major art gallery across Canada."

Let the private sector and public donation fund art galleries, not tax dollars. The government has no right to say what is or is not worthy of support - only the community can decide.

23Brodbeck and the Arts Empty Re: Brodbeck and the Arts Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:30 am

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I consider myself to be an artist and have never asked for grant money.

If I can't fund my own projects, I don't think anyone else should.

24Brodbeck and the Arts Empty Re: Brodbeck and the Arts Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:40 am

Deank

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I still dont see how you can compare a community club recieving funding and a artist receiving funding. One does something for the community and the other gets money to create art for themselves.

25Brodbeck and the Arts Empty Re: Brodbeck and the Arts Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:21 am

Deank

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oh man that blog on this subject is getting crazy stupid. Seems like a tick may have dropped in too..

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