Problem is height and weight are such a small part of the screening proccess , they want to know more who you are then what you can beat up.
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52 Re: No Tasers So We Had To Kill The Guy! Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:19 pm
grumpy old man
administrator
It's not a matter of beating someone up. It is more a matter of how capable one is at one's job and pulling your own weight.
I am constantly amazed to see a petite female fireman. There is no way in the world she can do the job as effectively as a man. Even a man of the same stature. That means someone else will always be picking up the slack.
This is the same in the police force. How many times do police have to go hands on on a drunk perp? Please do not tell me an average sized woman will be as effective as an average sized man. It is simply physically not possible.
I am constantly amazed to see a petite female fireman. There is no way in the world she can do the job as effectively as a man. Even a man of the same stature. That means someone else will always be picking up the slack.
This is the same in the police force. How many times do police have to go hands on on a drunk perp? Please do not tell me an average sized woman will be as effective as an average sized man. It is simply physically not possible.
53 Re: No Tasers So We Had To Kill The Guy! Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:22 pm
FlyingRat
moderator
Such a sexist you are, grumpy old man!
54 Re: No Tasers So We Had To Kill The Guy! Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:23 pm
AdamX
contributor
i absolutely agree with you grumpy
i think there is no problem hiring women or people of any size as long as they are all meeting the same physical requirements before being hired. i could be wrong, but i beleive that women have a lower requirement to meet than men do, or if its the same, then the requirement was lowered so that women could meet it, either way, its not right.
i think there is no problem hiring women or people of any size as long as they are all meeting the same physical requirements before being hired. i could be wrong, but i beleive that women have a lower requirement to meet than men do, or if its the same, then the requirement was lowered so that women could meet it, either way, its not right.
55 Re: No Tasers So We Had To Kill The Guy! Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:24 pm
FlyingRat
moderator
It should be based solely on meeting a physical requirement relevant to the duty, not whether the applicant has a penis!
56 Re: No Tasers So We Had To Kill The Guy! Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:25 pm
Guest
Guest
Depends on the training as I have seen some women you don;t want tangle with , besides they are never alone in the car . An officer will cover each others back they have to Man Or Women . Your point is taken though as it probaly doe,s and will happen.
Besides women can talk down a situation that a man can't . Have seen it happen many times when children are involved .
Besides women can talk down a situation that a man can't . Have seen it happen many times when children are involved .
57 Re: No Tasers So We Had To Kill The Guy! Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:26 pm
grumpy old man
administrator
Absolutely it should be. How do you jump to the conclusion I am a sexist from my comment?
58 Re: No Tasers So We Had To Kill The Guy! Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:28 pm
FlyingRat
moderator
Exihibt A:grumpy old man wrote:Absolutely it should be. How do you jump to the conclusion I am a sexist from my comment?
Here.grumpy old man wrote:Please do not tell me an average sized woman will be as effective as an average sized man. It is simply physically not possible.
Physically not possible? That's a pretty absolute statement.
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59 Re: No Tasers So We Had To Kill The Guy! Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:28 pm
grumpy old man
administrator
There was a time when the rules WERE different for a man and a woman. They were not rules for a 5' person and a 6' person.
And to lower the rules to allow a less capable person to become eligible is absurd.
And to lower the rules to allow a less capable person to become eligible is absurd.
60 Re: No Tasers So We Had To Kill The Guy! Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:29 pm
grumpy old man
administrator
Am I wrong? And drop the curt crap. Tell me I'm wrong. Can a 5' firefighter do the same job as a 6' firefighter?
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61 Re: No Tasers So We Had To Kill The Guy! Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:29 pm
rosencrentz
uber-contributor
having been stabbed, having been cut with a chain saw ( okay that one is my own fault), having been punched.. slapped, kicked, elbowed, thrown agaisnt a wall, through a door, into a door and hit with bats and batons of one sort or another I can tell you with some certainity that getting hit hard with a thin batton hurts alot more then most other things (even the bat) and if nothing else at least makes you drop what you are holding quite quickly
DeanK, surely there is an association that can help you repair your marriage??
DeanK, surely there is an association that can help you repair your marriage??
62 Re: No Tasers So We Had To Kill The Guy! Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:32 pm
Guest
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Firefighting is not the same as a cop , it is a different type of physical job.
63 Re: No Tasers So We Had To Kill The Guy! Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:33 pm
grumpy old man
administrator
Hell for that matter can an average 5'6" female lift the same weight as a 5'6" MALE? Physiologically they are different. That is not sexism my friend.
64 Re: No Tasers So We Had To Kill The Guy! Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:33 pm
FlyingRat
moderator
On this point we agree.grumpy old man wrote:There was a time when the rules WERE different for a man and a woman. They were not rules for a 5' person and a 6' person.
And to lower the rules to allow a less capable person to become eligible is absurd.
65 Re: No Tasers So We Had To Kill The Guy! Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:33 pm
rosencrentz
uber-contributor
AdamX, so it is your contention that spraying all members of this forum, would have no effect!
66 Re: No Tasers So We Had To Kill The Guy! Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:34 pm
rosencrentz
uber-contributor
GOM and being sexist!
The test is if you are over 50 and married!
The test is if you are over 50 and married!
67 Re: No Tasers So We Had To Kill The Guy! Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:35 pm
grumpy old man
administrator
Same rules though Pav. If you were partnered with an officer that could not physically pull you out of the line of fire would you feel comfortable... What if you got involved in a fist fight with a couple drunks in a bar?
68 Re: No Tasers So We Had To Kill The Guy! Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:38 pm
Guest
Guest
Dispatch always make certain that the right people are at bar fights , and yes I think any women can pull you or I out of trouble if shown how to do it . Grumpy they have to do it in training to show they can .
69 Re: No Tasers So We Had To Kill The Guy! Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:40 pm
FlyingRat
moderator
An average 5'6" female can train to be able to lift the same as an average 5'6" Male... and if she can qualify to a standard in place for becoming a police officer or fire fighter, all the power to her! There is no need to make absolutes about the difference between the sexes, when the qualifications must be made on an individual basis.
70 Re: No Tasers So We Had To Kill The Guy! Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:41 pm
FlyingRat
moderator
And who is Curt?
71 Re: No Tasers So We Had To Kill The Guy! Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:54 am
Deank
contributor eminence
"DeanK, surely there is an association that can help you repair your marriage??"
LOL....
LOL....
72 Re: No Tasers So We Had To Kill The Guy! Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:55 am
Deank
contributor eminence
"Dispatch always make certain that the right people are at bar fights"
but the point is dispatch should be able to send anyone..not pick and choose
but the point is dispatch should be able to send anyone..not pick and choose
73 Re: No Tasers So We Had To Kill The Guy! Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:25 am
AGEsAces
moderator
Deank wrote:"Dispatch always make certain that the right people are at bar fights"
but the point is dispatch should be able to send anyone..not pick and choose
And dispatch doesn't have an option of who to send.
They send who's on duty or on call at that moment. If that officer doesn't feel they can handle it...they are supposed to call for backup before approaching the situation.
74 Re: No Tasers So We Had To Kill The Guy! Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:18 am
Guest
Guest
O con tray they do if they work it right and a bar fight is worked out as to who they have there . Canine unit and every possible free officer they can afford they are very dangerous happenings .
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