You're dead wrong. We have not one fricken clue. Trouble is jimmy maybe we've been drinking YOUR cool-aid far too long.JTF wrote:Naw. It's that they don't have a clue and we do. We do slurpees here and not kool-aid.
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You're dead wrong. We have not one fricken clue. Trouble is jimmy maybe we've been drinking YOUR cool-aid far too long.JTF wrote:Naw. It's that they don't have a clue and we do. We do slurpees here and not kool-aid.
grumpy old man wrote:Difficult to compare other cities as other factors come into play. Surrounding municipalities for example may lead some to believe the city is smaller. Southern Ontario and West Ontario are hugely congested areas.
The Waterloo region (Kitchener-Waterloo-Cambridge) is about 500k As is metro Spokane.
Progressive cities will have a greater vision and better planning. That planning should include rapid transit. Smarter folk would have put such a plan in place in earlier times and would well have driven development much differently than Winnipeg has been.
But Winnipeg will continue to grow. If ever we get a smart provincial and municipal plan it could still help future generations. If the "old folk" 20 and 40 years ago could not grasp the notion of future planning maybe us current generation old folks better.
Maybe an RT will only save 5 minutes today. What might the presence of such a system do for our young folk today, tomorrow and years down the line?
I think I know now why nothing ever gets done. We won't think about the future.
grumpy old man wrote:Is a million a magic number?
JTF wrote:Anyone can 'project' anything though. Taking the numbers as they are, it will be many. many, many years (>100) before we reach a mil. Our geography will never change, and that, imo, predicates how our population will increase.
What does a mil have to do with anything?JTF wrote:Anyone can 'project' anything though. Taking the numbers as they are, it will be many. many, many years (>100) before we reach a mil. Our geography will never change, and that, imo, predicates how our population will increase.
What about our geography will restrict growth?JTF wrote:Anyone can 'project' anything though. Taking the numbers as they are, it will be many. many, many years (>100) before we reach a mil. Our geography will never change, and that, imo, predicates how our population will increase.
There already exist places that could take a bridge...Lipton ? Cambridge ? Churchill / St.Mary's.?grumpy old man wrote:Where we putting these bridges? Look at the outcry when a few small commercial properties were at risk due to the first leg of the RT corridor? Imagine the outcry when someone's house on Wellington Crescent is expropriated... What if that property is rosen's? But yes, eventually more bridges will be required. I wonder if rapid transit will delay that need?
grumpy old man wrote:What about our geography will restrict growth?JTF wrote:Anyone can 'project' anything though. Taking the numbers as they are, it will be many. many, many years (>100) before we reach a mil. Our geography will never change, and that, imo, predicates how our population will increase.
I sorta agreed with ya j2f. Best get expropriating those spaces today.JTF wrote:There already exist places that could take a bridge...Lipton ? Cambridge ? Churchill / St.Mary's.?
But more importantly, our "rush hours" are insignificant. Our "times" are insignificant. Those won't change much.
So...one must ask, why are we doing it?
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grumpy old man wrote:You nailed it: we are afraid of change. I also believe Winnipeggers are afraid of progress. Perhaps this goes back to whatever made Winnipeggers so frugal. We are afraid to spend any money (isn't that right jimmy?). What has that done for (or to) this city?
We've earned a reputation as cheap. And we've become a socialist-like society. Cheap + socialism = a real damper of growth and development.
What facts?JTF wrote:Facts never present a weak argument. Our rate of growth indicates that it is not financially feasible for us to have such things, and the need for them, in any event, is questionable to begin with.
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JTF wrote:Fact. Winnipeg will reach a population of a million in about 100 years or so.
Why isn't Brandon considering a LRT system btw?
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