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'Pro-life' debate gains modern crusader

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1'Pro-life' debate gains modern crusader Empty 'Pro-life' debate gains modern crusader Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:49 am

grumpy old man

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The Globe and Mail
The abortion debate is about to enter a "new era" of advocacy for the rights of the unborn, says a Conservative MP...
...who recently took over the chairmanship of a secretive, parliamentary anti-abortion caucus.
The all-party caucus will publicize what it views as inadequate abotion regulation, and push for legislation to restrict abortions, Winnipeg MP Rod Bruinooge said in an interview.

"I was born in the post-Morgentaler era, and I think I come to this debate under a different context," Mr. Bruinooge said last night. "I believe that having open debate on important topics like this is essential for any democratic movement. It's a democracy, and we are putting our ideas out for debate."

Mr. Bruinooge declined to provide details about the membership of the caucus - which he described as "sizable" - on the basis that MPs from other parties fear internal repercussions if their activism is known. Click here to read entire column.
Let me repeat:
"who recently took over the chairmanship of a secretive, parliamentary anti-abortion caucus"
WTF? All government must be fully transparent. You want to lobby for new abortion rights do so in the open.

I don't anticipate this debate ever ending. I also respect the process. But what say we let the medical community decide when it is right and when it is wrong.

Let all engaged parties have their moment to provide their input. But let's give religion only a minor role in the debate.

Then write laws around those timelines and have this over with.

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Yes with the economy tanking this should get the heat off that and some where else for the press to look . But I agree leave sleeping dogs alone , it is a debate which has no end . Sorta like Transit . Smile

AGEsAces

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Part of the problem though, is a "secretive" caucus means laws will get presented and passed, and nobody will know about it till it's too late.

This particular topic should have nothing to do with opinions or religion...it should be based simply on facts and science. The REASON it's a debate, is that science can't even agree on when "life" begins...so until proof can be made for either discussion...the debate will rage on...hopefully without unnecessary legislation.

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Deank

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science cant agree when life begins as there is no definative way of measuring what constitutues life.

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This is one of those endless debates we have as humans, chicken egg kind literarly

Deank

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we all know the rooster came first.

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Presently, the unborn have no status whatsoever in Canada. These parliamentarians are attempting to change this.

AGEsAces

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But that's my point.

It will be an endless debate...because there is no (known) proof either way.

The problem here though, is the idea a legislator will be able to pass a law which will try to make that decision for us. And based on what? Their "moral" beliefs? or their "religious" ones?

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Deank

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"Part of the problem though, is a "secretive" caucus means laws will get presented and passed, and nobody will know about it till it's too late."

not really. It just means that these guys and gals will agree on what they want to present as a unified group. They are far from the majority and would only be able to present thier opinion for debate.

10'Pro-life' debate gains modern crusader Empty Re: 'Pro-life' debate gains modern crusader Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:28 pm

AGEsAces

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Deank wrote:"Part of the problem though, is a "secretive" caucus means laws will get presented and passed, and nobody will know about it till it's too late."

not really. It just means that these guys and gals will agree on what they want to present as a unified group. They are far from the majority and would only be able to present thier opinion for debate.

Yes...really.

I'll assume (I know risky...but still) that "politics" in Canada are run similar to those in the US...especially when it comes to "back door" stuff.

What will happen is the "secret" caucus will write up what they want, then they'll add in extra stuff that they know everyone else wants...it may not have anything to do with the pro-life stuff...just random things they know others want to see passed. So when they present it...they'll present the "other stuff"...and agree to support that, as long as the others ignore or pass the pro-life stuff. In the US it's called "piggy-backing" a bill...and it happens quite often.

One reason the US President has been wanting line-item veto power for years.

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Deank

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yeah but this "secret" caucus has existed for years and years. They have presented before, and been put down.

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Deank wrote:yeah but this "secret" caucus has existed for years and years. They have presented before, and been put down.
Funny most of them were not there years ago , but yes there haas always been back room caucus,s in most goverments.

Deank

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this caucus membership has changed as the MPs have chaged for sure... but this caucus (when it was others) has been in public before.

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