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New Hydro Building has problems...

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1New Hydro Building has problems... Empty New Hydro Building has problems... Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:26 am

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It appears that our world-class hydro building was not designed properly afterall.

Certain areas of the building require space heatres to heat the place.

Glenn Schneider call this a "break-in period" would you believe?

What a joke!!!

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/employees-blow-whistle-on-hydro-place-114535769.html

2New Hydro Building has problems... Empty Re: New Hydro Building has problems... Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:35 am

grumpy old man

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It's been my experience every new building requires adjustments and tweaking. Even "high efficiency" - "leading edge" buildings.

I can list several new buildings I'm familiar with...

3New Hydro Building has problems... Empty Re: New Hydro Building has problems... Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:39 am

grumpy old man

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Oh yeah, it's also a gordon sinclair piece. Never much depth to his writing anywho. It's another fluff story with little substance and probably less facts.

4New Hydro Building has problems... Empty Re: New Hydro Building has problems... Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:55 am

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grumpy old man wrote:Oh yeah, it's also a gordon sinclair piece. Never much depth to his writing anywho. It's another fluff story with little substance and probably less facts.
As a columnist, he writes about his opinion whereas with a regular journalist, it's supposed to be just the facts, ma'am.

But, yeah, he's almost as fluffy as Lindor.

5New Hydro Building has problems... Empty Re: New Hydro Building has problems... Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:31 am

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heh heh...oh ya....blame Sinclair for them having to use space heaters in this "leading edge of technology" building.

Do'ya think they're using space age or leading edge heaters?

6New Hydro Building has problems... Empty Re: New Hydro Building has problems... Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:36 am

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grumpy old man wrote:It's been my experience every new building requires adjustments and tweaking. Even "high efficiency" - "leading edge" buildings.

I can list several new buildings I'm familiar with...

Are you saying that you know of several new leading edge, or not, new buildings that are requiring, or have had the requirement when just opened, to use space heaters because the heating system was ill-designed to accomodate all areas for heating?

7New Hydro Building has problems... Empty Re: New Hydro Building has problems... Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:42 am

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My wife cleans a "quasi provincial" building that uses heat blown through the ceiling.. but in the infinite wisdom of the building design the return air is not working right.

Which would not normally be a problem, leave the office door open a crack and the air moves around just fine. Which would not normally be a problem except for the fact that they have "high needs" individuals in the office quite often so they keep all the doors closed and locked. Even all weekend when no one is there.

Solution? why space heaters in every office going 24/7/365 of course.

I have walked into some of those offices and damn near passed out from the heat, never mind the huge risk of fire since there are papers everywhere.

8New Hydro Building has problems... Empty Re: New Hydro Building has problems... Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:53 am

grumpy old man

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JTF wrote:heh heh...oh ya....blame Sinclair for them having to use space heaters in this "leading edge of technology" building.
Did I do that?

I'm pretty sure I just said you really can't believe much of what sinclair writes.

9New Hydro Building has problems... Empty Re: New Hydro Building has problems... Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:57 am

grumpy old man

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JTF wrote:
grumpy old man wrote:It's been my experience every new building requires adjustments and tweaking. Even "high efficiency" - "leading edge" buildings.

I can list several new buildings I'm familiar with...

Are you saying that you know of several new leading edge, or not, new buildings that are requiring, or have had the requirement when just opened, to use space heaters because the heating system was ill-designed to accomodate all areas for heating?
Nope. What I said was "It's been my experience every new building requires adjustments and tweaking. Even "high efficiency" - "leading edge" buildings.".

Some of the adjustments have been quite significant. Like air handling systems needing redesign. Electrical and plumbing problems. Or look at the new airport.

I'm not forgiving the problems I'm suggesting mistakes are made during the construction of every building.

Some of those mistakes could be improper heating design or execution.

What I'm also saying is sinclair may have heard from a single "I'm always cold" employee on the 23rd floor in a cube facing north. Maybe there are really no heating problems.

10New Hydro Building has problems... Empty Re: New Hydro Building has problems... Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:05 pm

grumpy old man

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Seems the free press is editing posts. My post about that editing:
Ahhhh, the free press is editing the comments again. Mr. Editor, if your writer can't handle criticism then maybe don't publish the story. But don't edit my posts without saying you edited my post.

You can read all about this here: winnipegsandbox.com

For the record I said it was another sinclair fluff piece and I challenged sinclair to provide some facts.

11New Hydro Building has problems... Empty Re: New Hydro Building has problems... Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:29 pm

St Norberter

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As opposed to the typical Sinclair 'feed my ego' pieces?

http://bgilchrist.wordpress.com/

12New Hydro Building has problems... Empty Re: New Hydro Building has problems... Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:45 pm

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St Norberter wrote:As opposed to the typical Sinclair 'feed my ego' pieces?

I swear, one of these days sinclair is going to start off a story with,

So there I was sitting at the ball park next to my good friend and the person I helped rescue Faron, when who should walk by but Sam, David and the Dali Lama. They all told me how great it was to be seen with me so I whipped out my massive 12 inch schlong and played with myself to the complete amusement of the entire ball park.

and the editors won't even bat an eye and simply publish what he is spewing.

13New Hydro Building has problems... Empty Re: New Hydro Building has problems... Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:52 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:Seems the free press is editing posts. My post about that editing:
Ahhhh, the free press is editing the comments again. Mr. Editor, if your writer can't handle criticism then maybe don't publish the story. But don't edit my posts without saying you edited my post.

You can read all about this here: winnipegsandbox.com

For the record I said it was another sinclair fluff piece and I challenged sinclair to provide some facts.

I would think that the proof is in no denial coming from Hydro regarding the need for auxillary heating in a building which is supposed to be the best in the world.

Do you not see the irony in this?

14New Hydro Building has problems... Empty Re: New Hydro Building has problems... Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:01 pm

grumpy old man

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Maybe it's too soon to assume anything. As to irony? No. How so?

15New Hydro Building has problems... Empty Re: New Hydro Building has problems... Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:05 pm

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They touted this building to be the most efficient and technologically advanced in the world.

For such a building to have to use space heaters to heat certain areas of the building suggests to me a great deal of irony....as well as a complete screw-up in HVAC design.

16New Hydro Building has problems... Empty Re: New Hydro Building has problems... Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:14 pm

grumpy old man

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And you've reached this conclusion based upon one complaint reported by a second rate columnist?



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17New Hydro Building has problems... Empty Re: New Hydro Building has problems... Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:24 pm

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No matter how "advanced" the system...there will always be the "human" factor.

Everyone has different tolerances and comfort levels.

While MOST people would accept 18-20C as being "comfortable"...personally I find it too warm...and quite easily doze off in those temperatures.

And while they Hydro building may be "advanced"...it is not designed to maintain the temperature of every square inch of the building...it is designed to keep an "optimum" temperature & air quality throughout the MAJORITY of the building.

Add to that failed systems, clogged filters, faulty wiring, people with fevers, etc...and all types of factors affect the overall performance.

Plus...there some people who just like to whine about things.

http://www.photage.ca

18New Hydro Building has problems... Empty Re: New Hydro Building has problems... Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:36 pm

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Ya right.

Rolling Eyes

19New Hydro Building has problems... Empty Re: New Hydro Building has problems... Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:32 am

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Deank wrote:My wife cleans a "quasi provincial" building that uses heat blown through the ceiling.. but in the infinite wisdom of the building design the return air is not working right.

Which would not normally be a problem, leave the office door open a crack and the air moves around just fine. Which would not normally be a problem except for the fact that they have "high needs" individuals in the office quite often so they keep all the doors closed and locked. Even all weekend when no one is there.

Care to give us more details on this?

Is this CFS looking after aboriginal kids that used to be "Stored" at the local Hotel, but are now....being "stored" at some office building and locked inside?

20New Hydro Building has problems... Empty Re: New Hydro Building has problems... Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:36 am

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AGEsAces wrote:
Add to that failed systems, clogged filters, faulty wiring, people with fevers, etc...and all types of factors affect the overall performance.

Add to this list:

* Chemtrails which create high humidity inside by making the outside air more humid. 80-90% is not unheard of.

Where I work the thermostat is usually set to 24 C.

* People who have a low functioning thyroid are going to feel colder/chilled.

21New Hydro Building has problems... Empty Re: New Hydro Building has problems... Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:05 am

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Chemtrails? Really?

Do you wear your tinfoil hat to bed as well?

22New Hydro Building has problems... Empty Re: New Hydro Building has problems... Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:06 am

St Norberter

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lol!

http://bgilchrist.wordpress.com/

23New Hydro Building has problems... Empty Re: New Hydro Building has problems... Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:55 pm

Deank

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good enough place

Calgary is maybe removing fluoride from water supply

http://www.winnipegsun.com/life/healthandfitness/2011/01/27/17051426.html

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