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the winnipeg sandbox » winnipeg sandbox.. » local... » anyone else for a downtown surface lot parking tax?

anyone else for a downtown surface lot parking tax?

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Deank

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What about killing two birds with one stone? How about we clean up the multitude of surface parking lots AND gain some revenue for special projects?

$1 per day tax on surface parking lots, 10 cent per day tax on other parking stalls. Sure.. the companies will simply pass this on to the customers... who will hopefully vote with their feet and stay away from the surface level parking lots.

Use the money to fund more walkways. It would be awesome to be able to go from Red River Downtown to city hall, the museum all the way to Uof W and even the leg without having to go outside.

After that, use the money to help fund transit, bike initiatives. ( sure would be nice to have secure downtown storage for the average person biking)

JT Estoban

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Sure sounds like a neat idea... (anything to piss off Impark is A-OK in my books!)

But the lover affair with the automobile is still hot and heavy around these parts...and that's one tough nut to crack, just ask the mass transit folks about that one!

Deank

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JT Estoban wrote:Sure sounds like a neat idea... (anything to piss off Impark is A-OK in my books!)

But the lover affair with the automobile is still hot and heavy around these parts...and that's one tough nut to crack, just ask the mass transit folks about that one!

true.. very true.. but perhaps the developers realize that they need to build a multi-use building parking structure with offices, or stores on top.. you know since it will be connected via walkway to so many people.


Look at the buildings behind portage place.. they are connected and the apartments and offices rarely sit vacant.

JT Estoban

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Your talking enclosed, above grade sky-walks? Or subterranean, like WPG Square tunnels?

If it's tunnels, a few already exist connecting various buildings. Mayhaps those could be incorporated into your idear.

eViL tRoLl

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Deank wrote:
$1 per day tax on surface parking lots, 10 cent per day tax on other parking stalls.
times ten ...

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What would be the long term consequences of such a tax?

Would it change driving habits? I don't think so personally. It would just mean a bigger tax write-off I reckon.

LivingDead

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Deank wrote:What about killing two birds with one stone? How about we clean up the multitude of surface parking lots AND gain some revenue for special projects?

$1 per day tax on surface parking lots, 10 cent per day tax on other parking stalls. Sure.. the companies will simply pass this on to the customers... who will hopefully vote with their feet and stay away from the surface level parking lots.

Use the money to fund more walkways. It would be awesome to be able to go from Red River Downtown to city hall, the museum all the way to Uof W and even the leg without having to go outside.

After that, use the money to help fund transit, bike initiatives. ( sure would be nice to have secure downtown storage for the average person biking)

I like that idea. Make it so.

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Deank

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JT Estoban wrote:Your talking enclosed, above grade sky-walks? Or subterranean, like WPG Square tunnels?

If it's tunnels, a few already exist connecting various buildings. Mayhaps those could be incorporated into your idear.

whatever works and makes it cheapest while still be accessible?

Deank

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eViL tRoLl wrote:
Deank wrote:
$1 per day tax on surface parking lots, 10 cent per day tax on other parking stalls.
times ten ...

maybe not times 10... but maybe somewhere in between?

Deank

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JTF wrote:What would be the long term consequences of such a tax?

Would it change driving habits? I don't think so personally. It would just mean a bigger tax write-off I reckon.

No real tax write off.
Change driving habits? Maybe.. in the long run, when many people start wanting to come and live downtown.

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Ya right.

Perhaps in March, 2011. Smile

Deank

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Oh I am talking real real long run. Something like that would take at least 5 years to start making an impact, more like 10to15 to start gathering steam.

AGEsAces

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Yes...tax write off...as many workers get either parking paid by their employer, or reimbursement, or get to write it off as having to pay to attend work.

Perhaps if it was tied in with some other incentive for corporate involvement?
Perhaps if more convenient and accessible (and secure) bicycle parking was available?
Perhaps if part of EVERY street-level parking area was REQUIRED to have a bicycle parking area?

http://www.photage.ca

Deank

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"Perhaps if more convenient and accessible (and secure) bicycle parking was available?"

note the " sure would be nice to have secure downtown storage for the average person biking"

"or get to write it off as having to pay to attend work"

nope, not currently allowed as a charge in Canada, vehicle expenses yes, parking.. no.



also.. paying for someones parking (ie employer doing it) counts as income.

grumpy old man

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If the cost of parking downtown became too expensive would employers would stop subsidizing it?

A multi-faceted discovery is required. I guess the first thing to determine is what prevents business from setting up shop downtown? Most businesses that can set up anywhere (i.e. don't require local traffic to exist) must be choosing the burbs for reasons that downtown can't deliver.

Rental rates? Parking? Accessibility? Fear? Commute?

Can the city address these concerns to the point developers convert parking lots to buildings and business chooses downtown?

This is one of the areas I'd like a mayor to address when it comes to vision.

Deank

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"Rental rates? Parking? Accessibility? Commute?"

Having worked downtown and now working where I do, and having talked to my boss about why we are out here ( and many other similar firms are as well) I have removed the one reason you added that was never a consideration. The rest stick.

Deank

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"
Can the city address these concerns to the point developers convert parking lots to buildings and business chooses downtown?

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its chicken and egg.

More development will happen downtown when there are more people downtown to fill the need, more people downtown will happen when there is more development downtown.

grumpy old man

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So then the answer is find a way to encourage greater density in Downtown Winnipeg?

This seems fairly straight-forward eh. First things first, eliminate the barriers to developers such as rent control. What other barriers need to be removed or eased?

Offer real incentives. Tax rebates. Tax holidays. Base the incentives on amenities offered such as enclosed parking, retail store fronts...

Again, a mayor with real vision should be able to drive this.

Freeman

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If you impose such a tax, would you end up with more downtown development or just more vacant parking stalls downtown?

grumpy old man

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Not following Freeman. What tax?

Freeman

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The Downtown Surface Lot Parking Tax. (DTSLPT for short)

Deank

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Freeman wrote:If you impose such a tax, would you end up with more downtown development or just more vacant parking stalls downtown?

companies dont hold onto land that is costing them money every year.

ooo did I not mention the derelict land bylaws?

grumpy old man

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I think the rationale behind such a tax is make it too expensive to park leading to a parking lot that is less profitable.

Freeman

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Deank wrote:
Freeman wrote:If you impose such a tax, would you end up with more downtown development or just more vacant parking stalls downtown?

companies dont hold onto land that is costing them money every year.

ooo did I not mention the derelict land bylaws?

...as a matter of fact, you didn't, please go on..

grumpy old man

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The city could impose a number of regulations that would either drive the parking lots out of business or ensure the land is not a sea of concrete.

For example "x" trees per "x" cars. Park benches every 20' on the entire perimeter. Minimum lighting. Manned booths...

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