Winnipeg Cops lying through their teeth again...

Did you see the video? Did you read the Free Press?

One of those officers, Const. Ryan Law, indicated in his notes that police tried to make Bousquet calm down with clear verbal commands and only used force after Bousquet struggled and swung at police.

If you watch the video you will discover Const. Law is lying.

Something else to consider:

Law already faces a charge of assault for the alleged beating of Henry Lavallee in a Public Safety Building interview room in November 2008.

More goodies... Law (ironic eh?) is the nephew of Winnipeg Police Chief Keith McCaskill.

Outsider wrote:PS: I believe it was the cops who brought the tape to court in the first place. I am convinced they would not have brought the tape to the courts attention if they were in fact guilty of "beating the sh!t out of him". After all they are not idiots.

Indeed they did. Are we to give special consideration to them for doing the right thing?

The cynic in me believes that they knew someone else had already seen the video and there were other witnesses.

grumpy old man wrote:Did you see the video? Did you read the Free Press?

One of those officers, Const. Ryan Law, indicated in his notes that police tried to make Bousquet calm down with clear verbal commands and only used force after Bousquet struggled and swung at police.

If you watch the video you will discover Const. Law is lying.

Something else to consider:

Law already faces a charge of assault for the alleged beating of Henry Lavallee in a Public Safety Building interview room in November 2008.

More goodies... Law (ironic eh?) is the nephew of Winnipeg Police Chief Keith McCaskill.

1. I just watched the video twice. As far as I could see the perp was wiggling around. If he was trying to get away from the police, he could have been legitimately bruised on the gravel/ground pavement in the struggle.
2. I don't know how you can even say it was Law struggling with the perp from the video.
3. I heard the Police Chief has handed off the investigation to someone else (RCMP ?) when he heard he was related to one of the police officers. Good for the Chief.
4. If a perp thought he is going to get away 5 or 6 police in a struggle, he was the real idiot. (Unless he was trying to get bruised up just to get his case tossed.)

What a load of crap.

Outsider wrote:1. I just watched the video twice. As far as I could see the perp was wiggling around. If he was trying to get away from the police, he could have been legitimately bruised on the gravel/ground pavement in the struggle.
2. I don't know how you can even say it was Law struggling with the perp from the video.
3. I heard the Police Chief has handed off the investigation to someone else (RCMP ?) when he heard he was related to one of the police officers. Good for the Chief.
4. If a perp thought he is going to get away 5 or 6 police in a struggle, he was the real idiot. (Unless he was trying to get bruised up just to get his case tossed.)

1. The bad guy went straight to the ground, in apparent surrender, without assistance. He was promptly beset upon by 4-6 officers.
2. I did not say it was Law struggling with the bad guy. I suspect the identity of every officer that threw a punch, kneed or kicked is properly identified.
3. Again. The chief doing what he should do.
4. I saw no evidence of the bad guy "trying to get away".

We'll agree on a couple things. The guy was an idiot. Simply no question about that. I think we all know the gene pool these bozos spring from is very weak.

And I feel zero sympathy for the bozo. However I don't think he formed a coherent thought that night and in every other instance where he stole a vehicle and placed innocent people in harm's way.

I just do not want the police to become judge, jury and executioner. Not now. Not ever.

JTF wrote:What a load of crap.

Were you referring to my thoughts.

Because if you were the real crap was:

1. Winnipeg winning the "Stolen Car Capital of Canada" several years running.
2. Regular people being forced to put immobilizers in their vehicles in order to get insurance through no fault of their own.
3. Regular people being forced to buy new vehicles just because their vehicles had been stolen and written off by these perps.
4. Our insurance rates going up because of these perps continuing to being released by the justice system in the faint hope of rehabbing them instead of giving them the jail sentence they deserved. (How many cars does a perp have to steal to get 3 or 4 gold stars anyway?)

grumpy old man wrote:

Outsider wrote:1. I just watched the video twice. As far as I could see the perp was wiggling around. If he was trying to get away from the police, he could have been legitimately bruised on the gravel/ground pavement in the struggle.
2. I don't know how you can even say it was Law struggling with the perp from the video.
3. I heard the Police Chief has handed off the investigation to someone else (RCMP ?) when he heard he was related to one of the police officers. Good for the Chief.
4. If a perp thought he is going to get away 5 or 6 police in a struggle, he was the real idiot. (Unless he was trying to get bruised up just to get his case tossed.)

1. The bad guy went straight to the ground, in apparent surrender, without assistance. He was promptly beset upon by 4-6 officers.
2. I did not say it was Law struggling with the bad guy. I suspect the identity of every officer that threw a punch, kneed or kicked is properly identified.
3. Again. The chief doing what he should do.
4. I saw no evidence of the bad guy "trying to get away".

We'll agree on a couple things. The guy was an idiot. Simply no question about that. I think we all know the gene pool these bozos spring from is very weak.

And I feel zero sympathy for the bozo. However I don't think he formed a coherent thought that night and in every other instance where he stole a vehicle and placed innocent people in harm's way.

I just do not want the police to become judge, jury and executioner. Not now. Not ever.

My sentiments exactly GOM.

Outsider wrote:

JTF wrote:What a load of crap.

Were you referring to my thoughts.

Because if you were the real crap was:

1. Winnipeg winning the "Stolen Car Capital of Canada" several years running.
2. Regular people being forced to put immobilizers in their vehicles in order to get insurance through no fault of their own.
3. Regular people being forced to buy new vehicles just because their vehicles had been stolen and written off by these perps.
4. Our insurance rates going up because of these perps continuing to being released by the justice system in the faint hope of rehabbing them instead of giving them the jail sentence they deserved. (How many cars does a perp have to steal to get 3 or 4 gold stars anyway?)

So all these facts somehow excuse the behaviour of these officers? Their actions were no better than scum they're trying to catch.

Their job is to apprehend criminals and bring them before the courts NOT to administer the sentence.

When the cops are as bad as the crooks, and people start to excuse the cops' behaviour, we are in big trouble indeed.

It would be nice to see a complete overhaul of the WPS to alleviate the force from the supposed many crooked cops that are leading the public to grow weary of the boys in blue. I do realize that this would be very costly to do so, but it is worth considering, for long-term benefits.

One thing that crosses my mind is that it really makes you wonder...What the hell were they thinking? Since the Rodney King thing, surely to God, you would think that every intelligent cop would realize that they may be recorded at any time and anywhere. So why pull a stunt like that?

Hmmmm...

Constable Law is obviously innocent of abusive behviour, because his notes say what happened! It is the video and the interpretation of what was recorded that may be the problem! The police brought in the tape because it is evidence, and withholding evidence is a felony!
Besides that may get rid of 2 abusive officers if they acted innapropriately! The system does work!

If the system was working, we wouldn't have these bastards on the police force. They wouldn't have been allowed to join if proper screening took place.

Our police force is corrupt. End of story.

Question is how do we go from here?

these cops are nowhere near abusive, and acted totally in line here.

unfortunately joe public (which includes pretty much everyone on this forum) is ignorant of what they are really watching and how its actually playing out. Anyone with LEO training can pick this video apart and see the behaviours that are being displayed and exactly why the officers are responding the way they do.

but unfortunately most people dont have any sort of training or real life experience in this stuff, so all they see is knees and punches. (which i dont mean in a derogatory way either, its no ones fault if they lack training or knowledge of a certain topic)

you have to know what your looking at before you can pass judgment on a video like this.

Christ I hate such sanctimonious posts that imply us "layman" are ignorant. We don't know what we are talking about.

We are not blind. Spin this until the cows come home. Those cops stepped way over the line.

I know what I'm looking at. I am looking at 6 cops laying a beating on a single person.

you are ignorant, in this.

do you have LEO training of any sort? do you know the model they follow that determines which behaviour warrants which response options?

if you dont then you are ignorant of this topic.. how can you argue that?

and if you are ignorant of the topic you dont really know what you are watching.

i could break this video down for you second by second and explain whats actually happening and their likely reasoning, but you just see 6 cops beating a guy, so chances are i wouldnt change your mind.

The point of the matter is that 999/1000 incidents with all police are for the better, but those don't get reported. The damn Jewish media put all their money on reporting the very few negative incidents! That is the sad part of "news"!
I don't think there was any report when my 1 year old brother escaped his harness and was out wandering around in the area of Mountain and Powers in the wintertime!
My mother flagged down 2 constables driving a police car, and was crying to them that her 1 year old was missing. One of the police officers , dressed in his huge buffalo coat, lifted his arm, and asked her, "does he look anything like this?"
Nested comfortably there was mi tiny brother! Happy story? Yes! Published? No!
If those officers pounded out this car thief, that attempted to kill them, Good for them! The damned judge would be giving him time served and sending him back on the street laughing at the men in blue, who put their lives on the line, for us!

JTF wrote:If the system was working, we wouldn't have these bastards on the police force. They wouldn't have been allowed to join if proper screening took place.

Our police force is corrupt. End of story.

Question is how do we go from here?

And you have a grudge against them so you are so un bais on this .

@AdamX

ARE you a serving member of the WPS?

If so, I bet you don't work in Community Relations do you?

AdamX wrote:you are ignorant, in this.

do you have LEO training of any sort? do you know the model they follow that determines which behaviour warrants which response options?

if you dont then you are ignorant of this topic.. how can you argue that?

and if you are ignorant of the topic you dont really know what you are watching.

i could break this video down for you second by second and explain whats actually happening and their likely reasoning, but you just see 6 cops beating a guy, so chances are i wouldnt change your mind.

Of course I don't have leo training. I am guilty of being ignorant of leo training. You're on to me...

Yes I know what model they followed: be angry; jump on top and beat prone bad guy; maintain beating while fellow officer looks around nervously to see if anyone is watching; continue to beat prone bad guy until tired; lie about beating prone bad guy.

See. I know the model.

But do feel free to break down the video second-by-second. Maybe I can be edumacated about prudent and responsible police work.

grumpy old man wrote:But do feel free to break down the video second-by-second. Maybe I can be edumacated about prudent and responsible police work.

Personally, you are too ignorant to understand second by second break down. Thats only for those with leo training. God, its hard to make your people understand. Sometimes, its just best to beat these things into you.

Ummmm, it's second-by-second. Sheesh. And I'M ignorant.

I didn't have grammar training, what can I say.

AdamX wrote:these cops are nowhere near abusive, and acted totally in line here.

unfortunately joe public (which includes pretty much everyone on this forum) is ignorant of what they are really watching and how its actually playing out. Anyone with LEO training can pick this video apart and see the behaviours that are being displayed and exactly why the officers are responding the way they do.

but unfortunately most people dont have any sort of training or real life experience in this stuff, so all they see is knees and punches. (which i dont mean in a derogatory way either, its no ones fault if they lack training or knowledge of a certain topic)

you have to know what your looking at before you can pass judgment on a video like this.

Excuse me???? I hope the horse you be riding is a hobby-horse so that when you fall off of it your arse does not get bruised.