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Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy

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1Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Empty Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:59 pm

DowntownBIZ

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Hello everyone,

The Downtown Winnipeg BIZ recently undertook a study to create a downtown retail strategy to support existing and attract new retailers to create a more vibrant downtown.

This just one part of the whole picture for downtown development that, of course, includes also dealing with issues of housing, safety, cleanliness etc., but we'd love to get your feedback and opinions on what you think of this particular aspect of downtown Winnipeg's improvement plan.

Please click on the link, http://www.downtownwinnipegbiz.com/home/business/retail_strategy/

Thank you,
The Downtown Winnipeg BIZ

2Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Empty Re: Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:11 pm

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If only we could go back in time. Maybe the 60's/70's before urban sprawl, before big box stores. I remember the good times, shopping at Eatons and the Bay with my Grandmother. Having lunch at the Paddle wheel Restaurant at the Bay. I remember woolworths and big 4 sales. Circus Circus, Dr que's, Mothers, Records on Wheels etc...

I doubt downtown will ever have that charm again. Pity.

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3Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Empty Re: Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:47 pm

grumpy old man

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I sincerely wish you luck with this initiative. I too wax nostalgic when it comes to Winnipeg's downtown. So I'd love to see it live again.

I don' think there is anything you folks can do short term to turn the downtown into a shopping destination (excepting the exchange district) as it is nearly impossible to compete with the malls (parking and indoor).

Another challenge is trying to develop three areas at once. This seems unique to Winnipeg. We try too much at once, thereby doing everything poorly. Pick one thing and excel at it. Then move on to the next project.

Your greatest challenge is the chicken and egg thing. Create a destination and they will come. Or develop much more housing, at all price points, and grow the population of downtown.

Start there me thinks. Start with a plan that will double the population living downtown.

Triple or quadruple the police presence and discourage the seamier peeps that discourage peeps from visiting and living downtown.

Good luck.

4Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Empty Re: Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:09 pm

rosencrentz

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I would think that more people working and living downtown like the Hydro building is the key.
My wife when she says I am going to The Bay, wouldn't ever mean the downtown one. She wants easy parking, and she has this vision of being hassled by beggars.
Twice she went downtown for a meeting with her car and the $200 cost to replace the back, smahed window was pretty ugly!

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5Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Empty Re: Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:29 am

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Something really needs to be done to fix up Cityplace and Portage Place. CP is completely barren on the second floor except for two or three shops and the food court. Portage Place has little to offer shopping wise for example menswear is a complete joke International Clothes dosen't cut it. When it comes to electronics there isn't anything other than HMV which isn't much for a city our size. You also have the panhandling problem and the whole Portage Place area has become a haven for drug dealers (bus shelter, food court doors Air Canada building).

6Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Empty Re: Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:04 am

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Solution to downtown woes: build condos and apartments, and make the downtown core more resident friendly. Hire cops to walk the streets. Impose fines on people who display antisocial behaviour (drunkenness, fighting, lewdness, etc).

When the people come to live downtown, only then will the malls prosper.

7Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Empty Re: Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:46 am

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Yes and make parking lots a expensive piece of collateral , to have in the bank . Tax it more then buildings on the lot ,

8Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Empty Re: Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:22 am

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I've said it many times.

When one realizes that every city has a slum area and we just cleaned ours up (Main Street) and relocated those people to Portage Avenue.

When we decide where the slum area can go, other than Portage Avenue, we can start to clean up Portage Avenue and begin to relocate (or gentrify) that area and all the stars will realign again.

Or...we can continue to believe that we can be the only city in the world without a slum and those people.

We really are doing the same thing and expecting different results one has to admit. I mean, this bloody revitilization crap has been going on for 30 fricken years already!!! Time to figure it out I'd say and recognize the fcuken elephant in the room.

9Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Empty Re: Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:22 pm

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It sounds to me that City Place could be converted , with setting up cots, for the homeless, and then every other homeless person, or those that have spent their welfare money, should be removed to the North End, where they deserve to be!

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10Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Empty Re: Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:28 pm

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Thanks everyone for your feedback! There were some good questions asked and we would like to respond to some of them.

We agree there never was a single bullet to creating stronger retailing--we know more residents might be it, as well as more office workers strategically located near existing retailers--but the residential aspect is the piece that will take the longest.Thankfully, with the arrival of the new provincial TIF plan, the BIZ believes downtown housing development will now move much quicker. If downtown could realistically absorb 1000 housing units per year, in 10 years, the downtown population would almost double and would transform downtown retailing.

In the interim, there is a general feeling that current retailing could be developed further to better serve the current market, attract more shoppers, and prepare for future developments and changes.

More police presence is needed downtown period. This is something we have been pushing hard for, while investing our own dollars through our Watch and Outreach programs. Not because downtown crime is rampant--crime happens everywhere in the city, in fact, only 4-6 per cent of the city's total crimes happen downtown--but because there are serious issues related to poverty, mental illness, homelessness, panhandling, public intoxication etc. We know that a strong police presence provides comfort and better manages these issues.

In 2009, the police chief and mayor committed over 200 new cadets that will eventually be stationed at the new Public Safety Building
on Graham Avenue and will supplement community police patrols.
These extra eyes and ears will bring with it the downtown comfort level the BIZ has been advocating for.

Also with the announcement of the new Public Safety building, 2000 police officers will work in the heart of downtown, strolling the sidewalks and weather protected walkway system.

Over the last three years, the BIZ's Outreach Program, a joint effort undertaken with the city's police and fire paramedic departments,
and the Province of Manitoba, has put ten trained individuals on downtown streets to help deal with an important social issue facing downtown--public intoxication. The program has helped relieve some of the pressure on the city's emergency services, and has helped move those at-risk into safer environments--with a response time of 10 minutes or less upon a public complaint made to our
958 – SAFE (7233) number (a free call from any MTS payphone or cell phone). Contact them anytime you come across safety issues downtown.

All combined, these initiatives will help to significantly address the negative perceptions of downtown safety, and of course, decrease crime even further.

To help combat poverty issues downtown, a serious and informed effort to help the homeless off the street has been announced through a housing first model, spearheaded by federal and provincial governments. A pilot project, now in effect, will permanently help over 200 people off the street with the sensitivity and leadership of our Aboriginal community.

The BIZ agrees that we cannot completely and appropriately revitalize our downtown until there is a long-term strategy to address homelessness and those at-risk. This type of initiative has been proven to work in other jurisdictions. But it will be a long time until the many people who need it are helped off the street permanently--this will be difficult and costly, but will result in one of the greatest improvements for downtown.

We know there are numerous tasks to accomplish to create the vibrant downtown we all want to see, and the retail strategy is only one piece
of the broader plan. We thank you for your feedback and want you to know your concerns are not going unheeded. There are a lot of people working very hard to address these concerns and numerous others. We welcome any further comments and will use them help guide us in all our efforts.


Downtown Winnipeg BIZ

11Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Empty Re: Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:35 pm

EdWin

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Have you considered having the Guardian Angels walk the beat downtown to create a higher sense of security for the average citizen?

12Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Empty Re: Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:30 pm

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"Impose fines on people who display antisocial behaviour (drunkenness, fighting, lewdness, etc).
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How do you fine someone who wont pay the fine? Is there an acceptible level of fines before you order them banned from the city by sundown?

13Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Empty Re: Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:50 pm

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More police!! That's it???

Good luck with that.

14Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Empty Re: Downtown Wininpeg Retail Strategy Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:57 pm

Deank

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Our police department uses up an extremely significant part of the day to day budget. Do we really need more cops regardless of if they are paid for by the city, the province or the feds since the reality is they all get their money from one source anyway.

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