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a step towards ending reserves?

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1a step towards ending reserves? Empty a step towards ending reserves? Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:17 pm

Deank

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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2009/11/18/bc-nisga-a-land-reform-property-rights.html

Mind you. BC is substanially different then the rest of Canada and especially Manitoba when it comes to reserves. but its a start.


After years of discussion and debate, the Nisga'a Lisims government has quietly passed the Nisga'a Landholding Transition Act. The move means that next year Nisga'a citizens will have the chance to own their own homes on what used to be collectively owned native land in B.C.'s Nass River Valley, north of Terrace.
They will also be able to mortgage their property or transfer, bequeath, lease, or sell it to anyone they choose, aboriginal or non-aboriginal. The system will be voluntary and all private land will remain subject to Nisga'a laws.

2a step towards ending reserves? Empty Re: a step towards ending reserves? Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:46 pm

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Seems Nisga will be treated as a municipality.

But I thought that there was another band that has already done this. ?

3a step towards ending reserves? Empty Re: a step towards ending reserves? Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:59 pm

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that was Nisga as well.

they just finally "passed" it. Considering they only recently signed their treaty (1998?) and it was in fact a more modern treaty that took a greater range of matters into consideration, its going to be damn near impossible for any other old treaty band to even attempt something similar.

4a step towards ending reserves? Empty Re: a step towards ending reserves? Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:05 pm

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It would also help if most bands had the wealth of the Nisga.

5a step towards ending reserves? Empty Re: a step towards ending reserves? Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:06 pm

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There are many wealthy bands in our country

6a step towards ending reserves? Empty Re: a step towards ending reserves? Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:08 pm

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No the Nisga are the exception but it gave them a stronger position in there talks .

7a step towards ending reserves? Empty Re: a step towards ending reserves? Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:11 pm

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"No the Nisga are the exception"

Are you saying that you believe the Nisga are the only wealthy band in the country?

8a step towards ending reserves? Empty Re: a step towards ending reserves? Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:14 pm

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O god no there are severel but they are one of the richests

9a step towards ending reserves? Empty Re: a step towards ending reserves? Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:17 pm

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The band that owns half of the land that Kamloops, BC sits on is quite wealthy.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

10a step towards ending reserves? Empty Re: a step towards ending reserves? Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:17 pm

Freeman

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What is the secret of their wealth?

11a step towards ending reserves? Empty Re: a step towards ending reserves? Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:24 pm

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Freeman wrote:What is the secret of their wealth?
They lease out land to the city of Kamloops, and they lease out land to CN. CN's Kamloops yard is located on the reservation. Half the employee's at Kamloops are members of that band and as such pay no income taxes. Sweet deal eh.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

12a step towards ending reserves? Empty Re: a step towards ending reserves? Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:27 pm

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BCs bands only recently started signing treaties thats basically what the big difference has been.

13a step towards ending reserves? Empty Re: a step towards ending reserves? Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:28 pm

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Yes they did not get screwed like some of the earlier bands in Canada.

14a step towards ending reserves? Empty Re: a step towards ending reserves? Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:36 pm

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Pavolo wrote:Yes they did not get screwed like some of the earlier bands in Canada.

How did the bands get screwed, if at all they mainly screwed themselves? For one, they survived and were not exterminated. And at the time when most of the treaties were done they were considered fair and square, as the population that was affected by the treaties was substantially smaller and would have considered it a substantial allocation of land for a few people. The bands then were a few dozen people at most and not several 1000 as is now the case. No one could foresee their rapid population growth, abandonment of traditional lifestyle, and dependence on welfare.

15a step towards ending reserves? Empty Re: a step towards ending reserves? Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:13 pm

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LivingDead wrote:
Freeman wrote:What is the secret of their wealth?
They lease out land to the city of Kamloops, and they lease out land to CN. CN's Kamloops yard is located on the reservation. Half the employee's at Kamloops are members of that band and as such pay no income taxes. Sweet deal eh.

So would this imply that if for some reason there is a fractured relationship between this band and the City of Kamloops, and for whatever reason they decide to stop leasing any of that land and reclaim it for themselves and their own use, would the current residents/business people of that land have "their" property taken away as well? That is a very complex relationship between a homeowner/city/native band, and I am very curious as to how a scenario like that would play out.

16a step towards ending reserves? Empty Re: a step towards ending reserves? Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:34 pm

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I would imagine there would be very tightly worded leases that would protect both parties. I can't see these leases behaving different from standard business leases.

17a step towards ending reserves? Empty Re: a step towards ending reserves? Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:58 pm

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I ask because of what happened in Devils' Gap near Kenora. The natives of the area had land that they leased out to cottage owners, who owned cottages on that land (don't know if they actually own the land, but they did own the buildings on it.) A few years back the band decided not to renew their lease and evicted all the cottage owners off the land. I would think that these people must have to have been compensated for their financial loses, otherwise they would have lost all the money they had invested in on that land.

18a step towards ending reserves? Empty Re: a step towards ending reserves? Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:12 pm

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I recall that story. I don't know what kind of leases they signed that would leave them so incredibly vulnerable. While that is unconscionable, shame on the home owners for not protecting themselves.

19a step towards ending reserves? Empty Re: a step towards ending reserves? Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:27 pm

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Stories like that make me very nervouse about purchasing a property on leased land. Among Phoenix, I am also considering Kamloops as a place to move to in the future. Now if this is the case in Kamloops, or in any other location, I will make sure to do my research as to who the true owners of the land/property are, because I don't want to take any chances of being evicted from my own home that I paid for with my own money.

20a step towards ending reserves? Empty Re: a step towards ending reserves? Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:36 pm

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The day the end reserves in canada will be a day to celebrate. Reserves are a form of segregation. it's about time we got rid of them.

21a step towards ending reserves? Empty Re: a step towards ending reserves? Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:30 am

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The same thing happened to people near Calgary. Leases were raised hundreds of percentage and it was take-it-or-leave-it.

I recall hearing the Chief of the Nisgas saying that he considered the giving of property rights to their members the big change. That what he owes their success to.

22a step towards ending reserves? Empty Re: a step towards ending reserves? Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:59 am

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EdWin wrote:I ask because of what happened in Devils' Gap near Kenora. The natives of the area had land that they leased out to cottage owners, who owned cottages on that land (don't know if they actually own the land, but they did own the buildings on it.) A few years back the band decided not to renew their lease and evicted all the cottage owners off the land. I would think that these people must have to have been compensated for their financial loses, otherwise they would have lost all the money they had invested in on that land.

Actually it was the lease terms went up substantively to reflect present day reality and the millionaire owners balked at it . The band said no pay good bye just like any other landlord . Most have paid and it turned out nice again .

23a step towards ending reserves? Empty Re: a step towards ending reserves? Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:03 am

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The same thing happened to people near Calgary. Leases were raised hundreds of percentage and it was take-it-or-leave-it

Yes the bands got what the land was worth just like any landlord would , see funny thing is the price before the new deal is rarly mentioned by the landowner . As he knows he had it good on some lease now he pays what it is worth. Suck it up .

24a step towards ending reserves? Empty Re: a step towards ending reserves? Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:08 am

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HurtinAlbertan wrote:The day the end reserves in canada will be a day to celebrate. Reserves are a form of segregation. it's about time we got rid of them.

Yes but then some would no longer have control over others , CHEIFS and some of them do not like that but it is changing slowly and surely.
By the same token the anti native slant has to end and the equal chance given to them, by whites

25a step towards ending reserves? Empty Re: a step towards ending reserves? Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:28 am

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Pavolo wrote:
HurtinAlbertan wrote:The day the end reserves in canada will be a day to celebrate. Reserves are a form of segregation. it's about time we got rid of them.

Yes but then some would no longer have control over others , CHEIFS and some of them do not like that but it is changing slowly and surely.
By the same token the anti native slant has to end and the equal chance given to them, by whites

BULLSHIT!!!

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