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Ahousaht reserve- no running water? Is there any explanation, other than the chiefs took the money, to explain how in 2009 this can be true? And Canada is in 3rd world countries setting up fresh running water, but not in Canada because?
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rosencrentz wrote:Ahousaht reserve- no running water? Is there any explanation, other than the chiefs took the money, to explain how in 2009 this can be true? And Canada is in 3rd world countries setting up fresh running water, but not in Canada because?
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rosencrentz wrote:Ahousaht reserve- no running water? Is there any explanation, other than the chiefs took the money, to explain how in 2009 this can be true? And Canada is in 3rd world countries setting up fresh running water, but not in Canada because?
I wish I had this kind of money to waste. I cant afford to buy my kid a dirt bike.
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rosencrentz wrote:Ahousaht reserve- no running water? Is there any explanation, other than the chiefs took the money, to explain how in 2009 this can be true? And Canada is in 3rd world countries setting up fresh running water, but not in Canada because?
Only in Canada do you have people claiming poverty while having fun on their quads.
I wonder where all the band money goes. Those quads cost about 7k or more.
From what I'm told, (by a former resident) People up in Cross Lake/Norway house get a new quad and snowmobile every couple of years. I'm told there is a mountain of snowmobiles and pickup trucks at the bottom of the lake near Norway house. I'm told, People leave them out on the ice during spring melt/breakup and get new ones through insurance and from the band office.
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And this is just a taste of what you might expect as the natives move into the Kapyong Barracks; boy the surrounding house values are going to plummit as another slum develops in Manitoba!
1 Derived from Budget 2004 and adjusted to a gross basis.
2 Budget 2004 disclosed the budgetary surplus as $4 billion before deducting reserves for contingency ($3 billion) and economic prudence ($1 billion).
3 Adjusted to the actual closing amount of previous year.
Somewhere in "Other Transfer payments" of 33.689 Billion dollars is the amount of federal monies transferred to reservations.
There are 600 recognized First nations bands in Canada. There are 1, 172,790 aboriginal people in Canada as of 2006. If you took 33 billion and divided it by the number of bands, you would get $55,000,000 dollars each band.
Now take 1.172million and divide that by the number of bands you get 1953 people per band, if you average it out. Now take 55 million and divide it by person on the band and you get $28,161.80 per person tax free.
That is damn good money for doing nothing but being aboriginal.
I don't know about you guys, or about how things run on reservations. But where does all the money go? It obviously is not going to some of the bands members, and it is not going to water treatment.
Maybe when the treaties were signed, things like housing, hydro, plumbing, TV, cell phones, stereo's, cars, snowmobiles, dirtbikes. were not considered for a reason. They did not exist for them back then, and they did just fine. Enter money
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Money, get away. Get a good job with good pay and youre okay. Money, its a gas. Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash. New car, caviar, four star daydream, Think Ill buy me a football team.
Money, get back. Im all right jack keep your hands off of my stack. Money, its a hit. Dont give me that do goody good bullshit. Im in the high-fidelity first class traveling set And I think I need a lear jet.
Money, its a crime. Share it fairly but dont take a slice of my pie. Money, so they say Is the root of all evil today. But if you ask for a raise its no surprise that theyre Giving none away.
Huhuh! I was in the right! Yes, absolutely in the right! I certainly was in the right! You was definitely in the right. that geezer was cruising for a Bruising! Yeah! Why does anyone do anything? I dont know, I was really drunk at the time! I was just telling him, he couldnt get into number 2. he was asking Why he wasnt coming up on freely, after I was yelling and Screaming and telling him why he wasnt coming up on freely. It came as a heavy blow, but we sorted the matter out
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Not sure how you arrive at 33 billion dollars as the monies feeding the reserves LD. INAC has an $8 or 9 billion budget. Base your math on the INAC budget.
But any way you slice it that is one HUGE chunk 'o cash.how that money is spent. Start with the reserves themselves. Spend every available dollar on schools on reserves. Spend whatever is necessary on university educations as well.
An education is paramount. Then perhaps our aboriginal brothers and sisters can take care of themselves.
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grumpy old man wrote:Not sure how you arrive at 33 billion dollars as the monies feeding the reserves LD. INAC has an $8 or 9 billion budget. Base your math on the INAC budget.
But any way you slice it that is one HUGE chunk 'o cash.how that money is spent. Start with the reserves themselves. Spend every available dollar on schools on reserves. Spend whatever is necessary on university educations as well.
An education is paramount. Then perhaps our aboriginal brothers and sisters can take care of themselves.
The problem with education is this. Distance and desire to learn.
U of M by #of people on campus during the day(3o,ooo) is the 5th largest city in Manitoba. How do you get all those Manitoba people to school? Why even go to school when you can sit at home, drink, ride your quad, light water bottles on fire and collect welfare and band money.
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grumpy old man wrote:Not sure how you arrive at 33 billion dollars as the monies feeding the reserves LD. INAC has an $8 or 9 billion budget. Base your math on the INAC budget.
But any way you slice it that is one HUGE chunk 'o cash.how that money is spent. Start with the reserves themselves. Spend every available dollar on schools on reserves. Spend whatever is necessary on university educations as well.
An education is paramount. Then perhaps our aboriginal brothers and sisters can take care of themselves.
Any money is too much. Time for the native people to become self sufficient.
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"People leave them out on the ice during spring melt/breakup and get new ones through insurance and from the band office"
band office.. very very doubtful.. . insurance... possibly but only if its MPI as no private insurance company would continue to offer insurance if there were multiple claims in a particular area.
The fed government gives out on average 10K per person per year. Which goes to housing, social assistance, road construction, health care, education and other such items. Overall does not seem like much right? But then nasty little considerations like many members dont live on the reserve and that many people get special considerations because whom they know and such. Its a crazy mixed up world.
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Is there any explanation of how there can be no running water on a reserve? Does anyone know? I am not interested in looking at a video of adults enjoying themselves! What is the point? How can there be no running water on a reserve, where "the government" set up human beings to live?
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Backgrounder Priority List of First Nation Communities With High Risk Water Systems and Drinking Water Advisories Good information, and the list has no reserves listed in Manitoba. Does that mean Manitoba has water?
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rosencrentz wrote:Is there any explanation of how there can be no running water on a reserve? Does anyone know? I am not interested in looking at a video of adults enjoying themselves! What is the point? How can there be no running water on a reserve, where "the government" set up human beings to live?
Yea, I know.
The Band never built a water system. ie. Source, treatment, pump, service to band housing.
Imagine the cost of running water pipes underground to houses on a reservation. when a reservation could be 5 times larger in area than winnipeg. and housing is just anyold where on that reserve.
Anyhow; Rosen, if you were to build a house 30 miles from winnipeg, you would have to clear the land, drill a well, pay someone to run MB hydro lines, Install a septic field and hold tank. etc.. do you think the government is responsible to pay for that? Nope. You are.
Back when reservations were first made. Nearby farmers and small towns had to dig a well or take water from a nearby river/lake. There was no water treatment. Canada's water is by far way cleaner and healthier than that of India or Afrika.
The first nations people wanted to continue to live off the land, and to continue to follow their way of life. Which was, every member of the tribe had a task to do and they all did their tasks or face expulsion. Now days, everyone has a house, car, quad, skidoo, Satelite TV, Cell Phone, and no tasks. Maybe if the chiefs budgeted wisely and put in a water treatment facility, they would have above average water quality. This is obviously not the case. Maybe if everyone took some ownership, pulled together and worked at building a water system. But why? it is easier to sit back watch TV and let the Chief hound the government and media (woe is us).
What do you think?
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Yeah sorta what LD said.
A huge chunk of many reserves are spread out over a very very wide area 1/2 mile or more between houses. Most reserves that have a "townsite" have at least some form of running water to a good portion of them.
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With all the money reserves receive there is no reason why there shouldn't be running water. What do they spend all that money on??? Why isn't the government questioning this? We, the tax payers, should be demanding to know!
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LivingDead wrote:Back when reservations were first made. Nearby farmers and small towns had to dig a well or take water from a nearby river/lake. There was no water treatment. Canada's water is by far way cleaner and healthier than that of India or Afrika.
The first nations people wanted to continue to live off the land, and to continue to follow their way of life. Which was, every member of the tribe had a task to do and they all did their tasks or face expulsion.
When the reserves were formed the tribes counted 20 to 30 people and reserves were designed for these numbers to be sustainable. Now they have grown to 2000 to 3000 or more and the inhabitants have little environmental awareness or interest. They literally poop into their water supply, so it is no surprise they are having problems.
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LivingDead wrote:
rosencrentz wrote:Ahousaht reserve- no running water? Is there any explanation, other than the chiefs took the money, to explain how in 2009 this can be true? And Canada is in 3rd world countries setting up fresh running water, but not in Canada because?
Only in Canada do you have people claiming poverty while having fun on their quads.
I wonder where all the band money goes. Those quads cost about 7k or more.
From what I'm told, (by a former resident) People up in Cross Lake/Norway house get a new quad and snowmobile every couple of years. I'm told there is a mountain of snowmobiles and pickup trucks at the bottom of the lake near Norway house. I'm told, People leave them out on the ice during spring melt/breakup and get new ones through insurance and from the band office.
AND THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY WANT TO PRESERVE THE FRIGGIN ENVIRONMENT?????