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Police State Part II

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1Police State Part II Empty Police State Part II Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:13 pm

Jondo

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So today, on Main street, I saw a guy running surveillance from his vehicle - sitting low and recording people. He was parked near where I was getting in my vehicle so I asked him what he was doing. He proudly shows me his Manitoba Provincial Justice business card that declares him a Tobacco Agent. Says his job is to find people buying those bagged cigarettes (that originate from reserves). He says the government is losing a million dollars a week. How disgusting. I told him so. I also added that the government should get the hell out of the gambling business.
I want to ask the bunch of you a question - do we need to be governed more or do we need to be governed less? This is a great question for the people of Manitoba especially.



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2Police State Part II Empty Re: Police State Part II Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:15 pm

AdamX

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i dont understand which part you find disgusting. the fact that they have someone trying to enforce laws? the fact that they are losing so much money?
i also dont understand what that has to do with gambling.

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3Police State Part II Empty Re: Police State Part II Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:21 pm

grumpy old man

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We have far too much government involvement in much of what we do. Like laws against some drugs and gambling and prostitution. The bureaucracy is so monstrous as to almost being stifling. Indeed some laws are so hypocritical as to being farcical. Allowing liquor to be sold (and controlled monopolistically) while marijuana is illegal.

4Police State Part II Empty Re: Police State Part II Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:35 pm

Freeman

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Another big hypocrisy is that liqour and gambling, both tradtional vices, are run by the government. Sure have the control, but to actually be involved in the retail side of both of those "sins"?

5Police State Part II Empty Re: Police State Part II Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:18 am

Triniman

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Government shouldn't be involved with liquor or gambling. And pot should be 100% legal.

6Police State Part II Empty Re: Police State Part II Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:20 am

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What he said.

7Police State Part II Empty Re: Police State Part II Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:35 am

Freeman

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I'm not in agreement with the legalization of pot. I guess some of that goes back to my own values, but it has certainly been reinforced by where I work and the effects it has on the kids around here. I know everyone is probably refrring to it being legal for "adults", but it sure fucks up a lot of kids from what I've seen.

8Police State Part II Empty Re: Police State Part II Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:38 am

Guest

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So does booze. I'd put my 'd'ruthers' on pot anyday.

9Police State Part II Empty Re: Police State Part II Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:52 am

grumpy old man

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I saw a piece on the news yesterday that suggested pot led to a ah, ummm, oh, I forget. Never mind.

10Police State Part II Empty Re: Police State Part II Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:09 am

AGEsAces

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grumpy old man wrote:I saw a piece on the news yesterday that suggested pot led to a ah, ummm, oh, I forget. Never mind.

No...not to Alzheimers...it was to schizophrenia...now if you had just asked yourself...you might have known the answer Wink

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11Police State Part II Empty Re: Police State Part II Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:21 am

Deank

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so we should legalie pot, while at the same time we are basically on the verge of making cigarettes illegal? scratch

yeah I can see how that makes sense

12Police State Part II Empty Re: Police State Part II Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:26 am

Triniman

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Deank wrote:so we should legalie pot, while at the same time we are basically on the verge of making cigarettes illegal? scratch

yeah I can see how that makes sense
First time I'm hearing that. Got a source?

13Police State Part II Empty Re: Police State Part II Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:30 am

Deank

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Every single budget where they add more tax to smokes
Every single report that says how bad smoking is.
It will only be a short while (less then 30 years in my opinion) and we will have people trying to make it illegal.

14Police State Part II Empty Re: Police State Part II Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:13 pm

Triniman

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Deank wrote:Every single budget where they add more tax to smokes
Every single report that says how bad smoking is.
It will only be a short while (less then 30 years in my opinion) and we will have people trying to make it illegal.
Never. Makes as much sense as trying to ban alchol and we know how that turned out.

15Police State Part II Empty Re: Police State Part II Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:10 pm

Deank

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you say never now.. but in 20-30 years when only 10% of the population or less smokes and healthcare costs are through the roof....

16Police State Part II Empty Re: Police State Part II Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:34 pm

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It's illegal to smoke cigarettes in public buildings, in restaurants, in your own car if there is a kid present ... if trend continues, it could be illegal to smoke it in your house, on a sidewalk, etc.. essentially making cigarettes de facto illegal. If you're going to restrict them so much that there's nowhere you can smoke them, you might as well outlaw them completely.

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17Police State Part II Empty Re: Police State Part II Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:37 pm

umcrouc0

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I don't know if we'll ever make it technically illegal or if we'd even need to. They are doing a pretty good job of causing the habit to slowly drop off. Through taxation and limiting smoking areas you can cut the amount of people taking it up. And that's made a bit easier because it's something you need to do regularly enough to get hooked on it before it's worth your time to pay the extra cost and go out of your way to do it.

18Police State Part II Empty Re: Police State Part II Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:40 pm

grumpy old man

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I'm all for banning cigarettes. How in the name of Christ did such an unpleasant habit ever become so damned popular? I mean when one first begins smoking it is just an awful experience.

I quit smoking after 30 years and was up to about two packs a day. As cherenkov says I couldn't smoke on planes or restaurants or friends homes... One becomes a social pariah.

It leads to horrid health conditions. I sure do miss my morning hacking spell and the nic-fits...

So yeah, let's ban it. Let's save the next generation from that insidious habit.

19Police State Part II Empty Re: Police State Part II Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:42 pm

cherenkov

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I do like a cigarello on the golf course or around a camp fire though ...

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20Police State Part II Empty Re: Police State Part II Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:46 pm

grumpy old man

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In the seven years since I've quit I've not had one cigarette and can count on one hand the number of cigarellos I've smoked. I could probably do without them.

21Police State Part II Empty Re: Police State Part II Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:14 pm

Freeman

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Haven't had a cigarette since August, 1985. Still get the urge once in a while. I actually have dreams about smoking. Is ay ban it, damn the costs, it would have to pay for itself in reduced health care costs.

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