I sincerely doubt that. EdWin is merely confused over who was striking.Deank wrote:wait a minute they are called Engineers and they dont even have a high school education?
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26 Re: VIA Rail on strike...no, they`re not. Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:10 am
grumpy old man
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27 Re: VIA Rail on strike...no, they`re not. Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:11 am
Miz point
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I was in NYC the one year they had the garbage strike....ahhhhhh, the rats were very happy and active that steamy summer......wonder how nice Trawna is smelling these days?
28 Re: VIA Rail on strike...no, they`re not. Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:12 am
grumpy old man
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I was living in Toronto during the last garbageman strike. It was a hoot. /sarcasm...
29 Re: VIA Rail on strike...no, they`re not. Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:17 am
EdWin
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grumpy old man wrote:I sincerely doubt that. EdWin is merely confused over who was striking.Deank wrote:wait a minute they are called Engineers and they dont even have a high school education?
Perhaps. And I can't comment on the engineering side of things, as I do not know any engineers personally; only PR staff aboard the train. These are the employees I refer to, and if/when they decide to go on strike I would not blame them.
30 Re: VIA Rail on strike...no, they`re not. Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:19 am
Not_Too_Slow
Freeman wrote:How can any strike be "needed"? 340 workers force the lay off of thousands, up to 12,000 daily passengers inconvenienced, considering the current state of the economy. how is that "needed"? This is a highly unionized environment, how can the conditions deteriorate so badly?
It worked... didn't it?
31 Re: VIA Rail on strike...no, they`re not. Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:28 am
Guest
Guest
I've heard that one of the things the employees wanted was to be able to have two days off in a row....something they have been unable to receive for some reason.
Apparently, employees are told at the time of quiting that they have the next day off. If it's true, that's complete Bullcrap imo!!
Employees deserve to be treated better than that.
Apparently, employees are told at the time of quiting that they have the next day off. If it's true, that's complete Bullcrap imo!!
Employees deserve to be treated better than that.
32 Re: VIA Rail on strike...no, they`re not. Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:32 am
grumpy old man
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That remains to be seen. They've merely agreed to arbitration. They will likely end up with a contract. But maybe not what they wanted to begin with. A recession is a really poor time to be striking. Especially when striking a heavily taxpayer subsidized crown corporation...Not_Too_Slow wrote:It worked... didn't it?
33 Re: VIA Rail on strike...no, they`re not. Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:35 am
EdWin
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JTF wrote:I've heard that one of the things the employees wanted was to be able to have two days off in a row....something they have been unable to receive for some reason.
For the engineers? Maybe that's true, but I don't know. I know it's not 100% true for the PR staff. They might have to do a six day shift, have a day off, do another six day shift and then have about 5-9 days off or something like that.
34 Re: VIA Rail on strike...no, they`re not. Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:37 am
Guest
Guest
I caught that on the radio the other day....not sure just whom it referred to though.
35 Re: VIA Rail on strike...no, they`re not. Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:42 am
Bartron
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EdWin wrote:When you cut back staff to a point where they are doing 5 different jobs at once, running around the train to try and keep pace while dealing with general passenger needs at the same time, barely getting 5 hours of sleep at night, and layovers consisting of 5 hours in a hotel in Vancouver (where again, this time includes getting off the train, eating a meal, sleeping, getting back to the train and starting work), things are sh1t for the workers. They've cut back and cut back so much over the years that the moral of the workers is horrible; so many of them hate their job and have no motivation to care about quality service, and after seeing what they put up with, I don't blame them.
This is why a strike was "needed"; to bring to attention the sh1t working conditions. I just hope most of the demands were met, and that more federal funding is needed or privatize the system to make it more economically efficient.
The whole 5 hour sleep and layover thing is just how the industry works. It's the same for conductors and engineers in freight. I'm sure they knew full well that thoses were the conditions of the job before becoming engineers, because they probably started as conductors.
P.S, You need a high school diploma to work on the railroad now!
36 Re: VIA Rail on strike...no, they`re not. Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:48 am
EdWin
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Bartron wrote:EdWin wrote:When you cut back staff to a point where they are doing 5 different jobs at once, running around the train to try and keep pace while dealing with general passenger needs at the same time, barely getting 5 hours of sleep at night, and layovers consisting of 5 hours in a hotel in Vancouver (where again, this time includes getting off the train, eating a meal, sleeping, getting back to the train and starting work), things are sh1t for the workers. They've cut back and cut back so much over the years that the moral of the workers is horrible; so many of them hate their job and have no motivation to care about quality service, and after seeing what they put up with, I don't blame them.
This is why a strike was "needed"; to bring to attention the sh1t working conditions. I just hope most of the demands were met, and that more federal funding is needed or privatize the system to make it more economically efficient.
The whole 5 hour sleep and layover thing is just how the industry works. It's the same for conductors and engineers in freight. I'm sure they knew full well that thoses were the conditions of the job before becoming engineers, because they probably started as conductors.
P.S, You need a high school diploma to work on the railroad now!
That wasn't how it was 20+ years ago. I think with the new scheduling though that just came into effect, the Winnipeg crew can get a full nights sleep in a hotel; much needed and appreciated. I think the Winnipeg Toronto crew still have to endure a minimal amount of sleep. Plus with more crew years ago, there were less tasks for each individual, thereby reducing late nights working and more sleep; the complete opposite now.
And as for highschool, if you don't know anyone who works on VIA, then yes you do need a high school diploma. But if you know people in the higher ranks like I do (and are bilingual which is also a requirement), you can sneak your way in even if you don't have an education of any kind. It's still possible, and still happening. Maybe to a lesser degree, but it still happens.
37 Re: VIA Rail on strike...no, they`re not. Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:50 am
grumpy old man
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But if that is true EdWin perhaps they should be grateful that patronage can get them a job they don't qualify for and on the taxpayers dime. Grateful = no strike...
38 Re: VIA Rail on strike...no, they`re not. Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:00 pm
EdWin
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grumpy old man wrote:But if that is true EdWin perhaps they should be grateful that patronage can get them a job they don't qualify for and on the taxpayers dime. Grateful = no strike...
Perhaps, but with respect to the veterans who have been working for years and years, I say there should be better working conditions and that they have put in their time with the company and do have the right to demand more.
I still say privatization might be a solution to at least some of the issues, as well.
39 Re: VIA Rail on strike...no, they`re not. Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:01 pm
Guest
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Doesn't the person's feelings of being grateful for having a job enevitably lead to the employer taking advantage of that position?
40 Re: VIA Rail on strike...no, they`re not. Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:02 pm
Freeman
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LEts see how the binding arbitration settles out. And I guess if you're one of the 340 compared to the thousands of others put out by the strike, then I guess you might think it worked.Not_Too_Slow wrote:Freeman wrote:How can any strike be "needed"? 340 workers force the lay off of thousands, up to 12,000 daily passengers inconvenienced, considering the current state of the economy. how is that "needed"? This is a highly unionized environment, how can the conditions deteriorate so badly?
It worked... didn't it?
41 Re: VIA Rail on strike...no, they`re not. Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:04 pm
EdWin
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Freeman wrote:LEts see how the binding arbitration settles out. And I guess if you're one of the 340 compared to the thousands of others put out by the strike, then I guess you might think it worked.Not_Too_Slow wrote:Freeman wrote:How can any strike be "needed"? 340 workers force the lay off of thousands, up to 12,000 daily passengers inconvenienced, considering the current state of the economy. how is that "needed"? This is a highly unionized environment, how can the conditions deteriorate so badly?
It worked... didn't it?
In speaking with several on-train crew members affected by the strike, they didn't seem to mind getting some time off away from VIA. It was a break from the chaos of the company.
42 Re: VIA Rail on strike...no, they`re not. Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:07 pm
Freeman
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I know the feeling, its called vacation.
43 Re: VIA Rail on strike...no, they`re not. Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:10 pm
EdWin
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Freeman wrote:I know the feeling, its called vacation.
I guess you can call it whatever you feel is appropriate.
44 Re: VIA Rail on strike...no, they`re not. Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:11 pm
EdWin
major-contributor
BTW, shouldn't this be in the national section?
45 Re: VIA Rail on strike...no, they`re not. Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:11 pm
Freeman
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True, but I get paid while I'm on vacation and it doesn't inconvenience a whole lot of other people. And most importantly, I don't whine about it.
46 Re: VIA Rail on strike...no, they`re not. Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:12 pm
grumpy old man
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Good catch. Moved as suggested...EdWin wrote:BTW, shouldn't this be in the national section?
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