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the winnipeg sandbox » winnipeg sandbox.. » local... » very disappointed in the Winnipeg Sun.. probably the freep too.

very disappointed in the Winnipeg Sun.. probably the freep too.

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Deank

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I note that instead of the funeral of one of our soldiers the Sun has opted for front page picture being of the asshats funeral. I imagine the Freep did to but I have not seen that front page yet.

Mantha

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Oh give it up Dean! Wink

I support our troops, but let's be honest, outside of family and friends, no one knew them. MJ was an International figure whose music played a part in many peoples lives.

I agree that the MJ reporting is getting old, but no news outlet is going to drop an MJ story for a soldier's death.

http://yaciuk.blogspot.com

grumpy old man

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That speaks volumes about our priorities then. Personally any and all of our soldiers should be front page news. Every time.

Especially in place of MJ coverage. Which is seriously over done.

Deank

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I was hoping since they had it listed on their perspective websites as more important yesterday Smile

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Mantha

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grumpy old man wrote:Personally any and all of our soldiers should be front page news. Every time.

So in the Free Press should have published an extra daily edition during WWII for the hundreds of soldiers who were killed every day?

Aren't the soldiers' deaths normally front page news? Especially ones from Shilo. As sick as I am of MJ's sainthood, I've got no problem with him taking over the front page. If it was Chad Kroeger, I might be with you guys, but MJ was a bigger deal than that wiener!! Wink

I'm a supporter of our military, have friends and acquaintances in Afghanistan right now, along with a family member who is back after being wounded and missing body parts. I don't want to seem like a guy who is disrespecting the soldiers just to be an ass.

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"So in the Free Press should have published an extra daily edition during WWII for the hundreds of soldiers who were killed every day?"
well the news was not released that fast that they got daily reports and the family needed to be informed personally first. But umm... didn;t they actually have reports (weekly) ?? of the local boys killed in action?

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"Aren't the soldiers' deaths normally front page news? "

Its wasn;t their deaths.. it was their ramp ceremony

grumpy old man

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Mantha wrote:So in the Free Press should have published an extra daily edition during WWII for the hundreds of soldiers who were killed every day?
That's not what we are talking about here.

But yes, publish every name on the front page. If ever we are in a war where we are losing hundreds a day then yes, publish a special edition.

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Deank wrote:"Aren't the soldiers' deaths normally front page news? "

Its wasn;t their deaths.. it was their ramp ceremony

I've been on vacation so I've not read a lot of newspapers over the last week... So Dean, were the current soldier's deaths covered on the Front Page or not?

Are you saying you want both the deaths AND each ramp ceremony for every soldier killed being front page news?

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I read both papers this morning and guess what...Michael Jackson is still dead.

Deank

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"I've been on vacation so I've not read a lot of newspapers over the last week... So Dean, were the current soldier's deaths covered on the Front Page or not?

Are you saying you want both the deaths AND each ramp ceremony for every soldier killed being front page news?"

I am saying that their "ramp ceremony" ( basically funeral for the soldiers still there) is more important then MJs ...well whatever the hell that thing was for MJ.

umcrouc0

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I agree there's been an overload of coverage on Jackson. But he's probably culturally the most influential person we'll ever see. His earlier work and marketing approach really changed the music industry globally. And the amount that he put into charities effected the lives of a lot of people.

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Deank wrote:I am saying that their "ramp ceremony" ( basically funeral for the soldiers still there) is more important then MJs ...well whatever the hell that thing was for MJ.
While I personally don't hold this opinion, I think you could technically argue from a news presentation perspective that if you've seen one ramp ceremony, you've seen them all.

"Whatever the hell that thing was for MJ" was a unique event, and deserved some coverage. Maybe not non stop coverage from the moment of his death until yesterday, however! Wink

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grumpy old man

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Arguably the Beatles and Elvis may have had a greater influence musically than Jackson. Plus we can begin an arm's length list of influential people that did much more for charities as well. And they did it without "having sleep-overs" with little boys.

We need to remember that too.

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Speaking of Elvis and The Beatles... I wonder who will end up owning the rights to their music now that MJ has left this mortal coil...

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Airt Mattrèssor wrote:Speaking of Elvis and The Beatles... I wonder who will end up owning the rights to their music now that MJ has left this mortal coil...

Probably his estate...since he just renewed the rights this year for another 30.

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umcrouc0

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grumpy old man wrote:Arguably the Beatles and Elvis may have had a greater influence musically than Jackson. Plus we can begin an arm's length list of influential people that did much more for charities as well. And they did it without "having sleep-overs" with little boys.

We need to remember that too.
So you're saying that if Elvis was still alive and died tomorrow he wouldn't be on the cover instead of the soldiers?
Jackson completely changed the marketing and promotion side of the industry. Helped shape it into something I don't like but whether I agree with it or not doesn't change the degree of impact.

Deank

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"So you're saying that if Elvis was still alive and died tomorrow he wouldn't be on the cover instead of the soldiers?
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damn straight. He is just an entertainer after all.

umcrouc0

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Deank wrote:"So you're saying that if Elvis was still alive and died tomorrow he wouldn't be on the cover instead of the soldiers?
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damn straight. He is just an entertainer after all.
You don't think he'd be on the cover? He's even on the cover on anniversaries of his death.

grumpy old man

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umcrouc0 wrote:So you're saying that if Elvis was still alive and died tomorrow he wouldn't be on the cover instead of the soldiers?
Where did I say that? I was merely commenting on who may have been a bigger influence on the world musically than Jackson. Now that I've thought about it I'll say they were indeed a bigger contributor.

Don't know about the marketing piece but I'll bet it was not Jackson behind the marketing.

Still, no mere entertainer should supplant our dead troops. Ever. No matter how spectacular their marketing was.

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umcrouc0 wrote:
grumpy old man wrote:Arguably the Beatles and Elvis may have had a greater influence musically than Jackson. Plus we can begin an arm's length list of influential people that did much more for charities as well. And they did it without "having sleep-overs" with little boys.

We need to remember that too.
So you're saying that if Elvis was still alive and died tomorrow he wouldn't be on the cover instead of the soldiers?
Jackson completely changed the marketing and promotion side of the industry. Helped shape it into something I don't like but whether I agree with it or not doesn't change the degree of impact.

Were you alive when Elvis died?
Have you seen the activities and vigils held?

My cousin drove 300 miles to go to a memorial service...and it Elvis wasn't even there...it was televised to the location.

The way the news is today...it's instant...immediate. So yes...had communication levels been where they are today when Elvis died...absolutely...they'd have been broadcasting it non-stop for months...hell...they still broadcast it every year since his death.

http://www.photage.ca

grumpy old man

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We are talking about should an entertainer's death be placed on the cover of a newspaper instead of a Canadian soldier. Nothing more.

If there were no soldiers to mourn that day then sure, whatever.

umcrouc0

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grumpy old man wrote:
umcrouc0 wrote:So you're saying that if Elvis was still alive and died tomorrow he wouldn't be on the cover instead of the soldiers?
Where did I say that? I was merely commenting on who may have been a bigger influence on the world musically than Jackson. Now that I've thought about it I'll say they were indeed a bigger contributor.

Don't know about the marketing piece but I'll bet it was not Jackson behind the marketing.

Still, no mere entertainer should supplant our dead troops. Ever. No matter how spectacular their marketing was.

I'm not saying that Jackson was the most influential musician of all time, but influential enough that I'm not at all surprised that there are still stories on the front page of every paper about him.

Deank

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grumpy old man wrote:We are talking about should an entertainer's death be placed on the cover of a newspaper instead of a Canadian soldier. Nothing more.

If there were no soldiers to mourn that day then sure, whatever.

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