The aircraft that could have changed the world

really neat documentary about secret WWII nazi technology.

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2009/06/the-aircraft-that-could-have-m.html

But the Avro Arrow (sic) would have kicked their butts!

You can buy the Arrow movie that was produced and starred Dan Ackroyd, for $5 at Wal-Mart. Every proud Canadian should have a copy! At least every Winnipegger as some scenes were filmed here...and Gimli or Portage.

The late (and sorely missed) Wayne Walker is in the film as well (as an extra), as an aircraft mechanic.

My Friend's Father was an engineer on the Arrow project. He is still mad to this day that the project was canceled. He said we sold out as a country when we allowed the USA to dictate to us what we can and can not develop.

Maybe we should have spent some Time and Energy making Nukes after WW2, and then Diefenbaker could have Called Johnson's bluff and told him to "fuck off, we have nukes and are not afraid to use them".

LivingDead wrote:My Friend's Father was an engineer on the Arrow project. He is still mad to this day that the project was canceled. He said we sold out as a country when we allowed the USA to dictate to us what we can and can not develop.

Maybe we should have spent some Time and Energy making Nukes after WW2, and then Diefenbaker could have Called Johnson's bluff and told him to "fuck off, we have nukes and are not afraid to use them".

Yes I had a uncle in Toronto which was involved in the design of the plane or some part of it . it was one of the worst things this Prime Minister did to this country . Most of the talent with Avro went on to design the moon shot and its components . We lost some of our best minds at the time so we saved some bucks shame .

Pavolo wrote:

LivingDead wrote:My Friend's Father was an engineer on the Arrow project. He is still mad to this day that the project was canceled. He said we sold out as a country when we allowed the USA to dictate to us what we can and can not develop.

Maybe we should have spent some Time and Energy making Nukes after WW2, and then Diefenbaker could have Called Johnson's bluff and told him to "fuck off, we have nukes and are not afraid to use them".

Yes I had a uncle in Toronto which was involved in the design of the plane or some part of it . it was one of the worst things this Prime Minister did to this country . Most of the talent with Avro went on to design the moon shot and its components . We lost some of our best minds at the time so we saved some bucks shame .

Canada is like a apple tree. The yanks pick our best apples to make their pie. Every day Canadian trained engineers, doctors, nurses, researchers, scientists head down to the USA to work for $$

Yes because we refuse to believe we can build it or make our selfs , rather buy it from someone else then support our own .

We do? I will take strong exception to that comment. Frankly it offends me.

What was the truth regarding the Avro? Why did Diefenbaker cancel it? Was it too good, and the US were mad at us?
Were we dumb to spend so much money on developing it, instead of a more needed submarine?
Did we hurt the US' feelings ?

It was cancelled cause the goverment was afraid to spend the money to keep it alive, and because the US were unhappy with it and us for not buying there product. Funny how much of the technology ended up in there next generation of fighters .
Offended or not what is the last substantial thing we built in the defense industry , Grumpy I agree we can do it but we don,t .

We are way too small a country to try and produce something that the US would be too embarased to buy! The US spends aabout 1/2 of the money that is being spent on defense! $1,000,000,000,000.
Great investment!

It's too bad how far back our country's aerospace and defence industries went when the program was cancelled. But that's sort of what we do if we're good in any industry that requires some government support and the conservatives get into power. The same thing is going to happen to our nuclear industry by cancelling Maple and setting AECL up to fail. Mulroney started trying to destroy Canada's expertise in this industry by killing the Pinawa reactor and shutting down the URL. Even though we were leading the world in trying to find an effective storage system for nuclear waste, experiments funded by other countries were forced to stop. Now Harper's picked up where he left off and wants us to completely drop off the map in nuclear technology. Cuts to CSA programs are also killing our robotics expertise. I don't really know why there's such a push to only really support technology if it's related to extracting oil. It's a strange thing. Maybe there's a secret plot by the conservatives to take our technology back to the 50's with hopes that we will acquire socially conservative views in the process.

Gee, I thought that AECL wanted to store nuclear waste from around the world in the Canadian Sheild and enough people complained for the program to be stopped.

No, they were doing testing on different methods of storage that could be used in different parts of the world. Lots of projects contracted by other countries who don't have a good way to deal with their waste but the Canadian researches were regarded as some of the best to go to for trying to figure it out.

umcrouc0 wrote:It's too bad how far back our country's aerospace and defence industries went when the program was cancelled. But that's sort of what we do if we're good in any industry that requires some government support and the conservatives get into power. The same thing is going to happen to our nuclear industry by cancelling Maple and setting AECL up to fail. Mulroney started trying to destroy Canada's expertise in this industry by killing the Pinawa reactor and shutting down the URL. Even though we were leading the world in trying to find an effective storage system for nuclear waste, experiments funded by other countries were forced to stop. Now Harper's picked up where he left off and wants us to completely drop off the map in nuclear technology. Cuts to CSA programs are also killing our robotics expertise. I don't really know why there's such a push to only really support technology if it's related to extracting oil. It's a strange thing. Maybe there's a secret plot by the conservatives to take our technology back to the 50's with hopes that we will acquire socially conservative views in the process.

Your right the conservatives have a history of selling out this land , for the right price .

umcrouc0 wrote:No, they were doing testing on different methods of storage that could be used in different parts of the world. Lots of projects contracted by other countries who don't have a good way to deal with their waste but the Canadian researches were regarded as some of the best to go to for trying to figure it out.

That's not the way I remember it.

It is the way I do, and now they are trying to kill the Isotope business . This is the way they have always operated the conservatives

Who has operated the conservatives that way?

umcrouCo- "leading the world in developing a storage area for nuclear waste?"
Probably because we have so much empty space up north?
As far as I knew that solution has been done already with the following suggestions:

1) Under the Salter Bridge (Coleslaw Rebchuk) where the CPR needs to move out

2) Up North ( near the many aboriginal communities) to develop jobs for the aboriginals
3) just shut down all Canadian development so no storage is needed

grumpy old man wrote:Who has operated the conservatives that way?

Every leader they have had they do not believe or at least seem to show there believe in Canada and sell out to American companies most times .

Who were the guys that shut down the CF-18 maintenance agreement for Bristol and killed the ehlicopter project which costs us millions to get out of contracts already signed? Just curious.

To the best of my knowledge the CF-18 contract wasn't shutdown....it was ordered to be transfered to a firm in Quebec for political reasons after Bristol had won the contract. Bristol was performing the maintenance and retrofit on the CF-5's that were decomissioned and sold off to other 3rd world air forces prior to that.

Thats what I said, who shut down the CF-18 contract for Bristol? Never said it was cancelled.

Freeman wrote:Who were the guys that killed the ehlicopter project which costs us millions to get out of contracts already signed? Just curious.

Why I bet I could figure that out for you!

My instructor in college was fresh out of a job as one of the lead engineers for the computer portion of the EH101 helicopters. That was in 1995.

Why gee the government of the day was GASP!!!! the Liberals and they had only just been elected in the year before!!!!