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Granny joined teen girl, 14, in stabbing, police allege

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A 14-year-old girl who repeatedly stabbed another teen allegedly had a shocking accomplice -- her grandmother.

"It's a situation I don't think I've ever seen before and hope I don't see again," the girl's lawyer Chris Sigurdson told court yesterday.

The girl pleaded guilty to one count of aggravated assault and was sentenced to a year in custody. Her grandmother remains before the courts.

Drinking party

According to a police report, the girl was at a Salter Street drinking party with her grandmother in September 2008 when the girl and the victim started arguing and the girl was punched in the head. Court heard the girl and her grandmother retaliated, punching the victim several times before the girl left to grab a knife from the kitchen.

The girl stabbed the victim three times in the upper body, after which her grandmother pulled out a knife and the two continued to stab the wounded teen, court heard.

The victim was rushed to hospital but has since recovered.

Court heard the girl -- who is now pregnant -- had a tragic upbringing dominated by physical, sexual and alcohol abuse. At the time of the attack, she had already been convicted of three prior assaults and has spent the past several years in foster care.

Crown attorney Susan Baragar said the girl suffers from FASD and permanent psychological problems.

Harsher penalty

"The only place she receives the structure she needs, unfortunately, is a correctional facility," she said.

Martin credited the girl six months for pre-sentence custody, reducing her remaining sentence to six months.

Judge Lee Ann Martin said a custodial sentence would not improve the girl's chances for rehabilitation but the seriousness of the crime demanded a harsher penalty.

Martin sentenced the girl to an additional 12 months supervised probation.

dean.pritchard@sunmedia.ca

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Crown attorney Susan Baragar said the girl suffers from FASD and permanent psychological problems.
Well duh! This kid is trouble. Look no further than her role model grandma. I wonder how much time grannie will spend in the hoosegow?

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A good place to house these FASD people is back at the Reserve methinks.

Get them the fcuk out of the city where it costs the taxpayer huge amounts to control these people, and put them back where their own people can look after them.

IMHO.

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How old is the granny?

grumpy old man

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A guess? 34.

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I bet you're not far off.

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every disturbed criminal kiddie that comes before the courts seems to have FASD and a troubled upbringing

i cant beleive that she only got a year and only charged with aggravated assault! beat the victim with fists, then left specifically to get a knife and stabbed him in the chest.. why on earth would that not have been attempted murder??

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AdamX wrote:every disturbed criminal kiddie that comes before the courts seems to have FASD and a troubled upbringing
Goes to show they know how to play the game eh? And it is a game until there are very real and very serious consequences.

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JTF wrote:A good place to house these FASD people is back at the Reserve methinks.

Get them the fcuk out of the city where it costs the taxpayer huge amounts to control these people, and put them back where their own people can look after them.

IMHO.

And this is a funny statement it cost more to have them on the reserve , either way you pay . Yes most of the kids have FASD because there mothers refuse to not drink while pregnant . This is up to there culture to stop it and teach them differently. Also there are just as many whites doing this as Natives so where do we send them JTF . The community club .

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I sure don't buy the fact there are just as many white kids born with FASD as there are Native kids. Where do you pull this stuff from ...one of the Reports you read at Rona? Smile

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Not even proportionally are the numbers even.

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No from the Health Canada report to the Govener Generel Of Canada . Document 3425-573wqr - 2007 Thank You. The porportion of FASD mothers is higher and gaining in the native population , but the number of children born with it has stayed close to the same . sad with all the education programs out there.



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Whats an FASD mother?

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A mother that drinks way too much despite being pregnant...

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Pavolo wrote:No from the Health Canada report to the Govener Generel Of Canada . Document 3425-573wqr - 2007 Thank You. The porportion of FASD mothers is higher and gaining in the native population , but the number of children born with it has stayed close to the same . sad with all the education programs out there.
This doesn't show anything, much less prove anything.

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grumpy old man wrote:A mother that drinks way too much despite being pregnant...

Ok, but isn't that the cause of FASD, the mother drinks during pregnancy, thereby causing the brain of the unborn infant to improperly develop. That being the case, how can there be an increase in FASD mothers, but the number of FASD kids remains the same? I'm confused.

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actually real easy

FASD mothers are mothers who HAVE FASD.

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Deank wrote:actually real easy

FASD mothers are mothers who HAVE FASD.

OK, but that's not the same as GOM's definition. But that being said, even though they are affected by FASD, they have the sense not to drink while they're pregnant?

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sure seems that way based on the numbers provided...

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IMHO. they should be jailed. Anyone that harms a baby, born or not, in my books, deserves a slow and very painful death....followed by a special place in hell. Fcuk being politically correct or cutting these commie bitches any slack whatsoever.

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That being the case, it does sound encouraging. One of hte effects of FASD is the inability to fully accept consequences, but the quoted study would infer that these girls are able to grasp the consequences and abstain during pregnancy, so does that mean that in inability to accept consequences can be "cured'. Would that carry over to the justice system, where it seems that FASD is a mitigating factor in many crimes.

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JTF wrote:IMHO. they should be jailed. Anyone that harms a baby, born or not, in my books, deserves a slow and very painful death....followed by a special place in hell. Fcuk being politically correct or cutting these commie bitches any slack whatsoever.

Until a determination is made on the "point of life"...it's hard to do that.

I have heard of (and forgive my non-link...but I can't remember where I heard it), that some cases in the US where a mother gave birth to a kid, and then they arrested her after the birth for negligence and child abuse, as the kid was born with defects because the mother drank, smoked and did drugs while pregnant.

Too bad they won't do it more often...or especially in Canada.

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And what would we gain from them being arrested? Seriously what? Or is it just a punishment thing?
Time to arrest them the moment they are found to be drinking or doing drugs while pregnant and keep them locked up until the baby is born... maybe that might help.

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Until a determination is made on the "point of life"...it's hard to do that.

I have already done that. To me, as soon as those cells start separating. it is a clear indication of life.

Of course this definition really fcuks people up that want to stop the growth of the cells eh. Wink

(...let's not start an abortion debate though...it's no win scenario imho.)

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The time to arrest them is as soon as they realize what screwing is all about, so they can't get pregnant. Not sure how you do that, but I'm just sayin'....

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