New RCMP policy says Tasers potentially lethal, restricts use

It was a black cop. I demand a second inquiry to determine if racism was a factor.

If the officer is given the benefit of the doubt, than perhaps his inexperience (4 years on the force), , and this being his 1st and probably his last attemp at Tasering someone, maybe we can forgive him?
But we see what kind of reporting we get, lying lyars, when there isn't video evidence, and then we can figure out in our own mind , that many incidents of police brutality, or bullying happens and without evidence, the person who is hammered by the police, just does not bother to complain.
There have been incidents in court where a judge does not believe the testimony of police, but I would imagine that the complaint has someone who is black and blue.

DONT TAZE ME BRO!!!!

rosencrentz wrote:If the officer is given the benefit of the doubt, than perhaps his inexperience (4 years on the force), , and this being his 1st and probably his last attemp at Tasering someone, maybe we can forgive him?
But we see what kind of reporting we get, lying lyars, when there isn't video evidence, and then we can figure out in our own mind , that many incidents of police brutality, or bullying happens and without evidence, the person who is hammered by the police, just does not bother to complain.
There have been incidents in court where a judge does not believe the testimony of police, but I would imagine that the complaint has someone who is black and blue.

If it wasn't for the video, we would never have know the truth. The cop lied 6 times in his report.

He had to change his testimony because of the video.

Without the video, his lies would have been accepted as the truth....RCMP don't lie eh....LOL.

That's outrageous!!

Gee Bush lied and look how many have died. Just pointing it out and we had video too. To many it is a way of life if it suits them people lie in stores all the time .

I actually did laugh out loud when I saw that this morning.

The RCMP should fire these guys for tarnishing thier public image.

Deank wrote:The RCMP should fire these guys for tarnishing thier public image.

What, the guys in the cartoon?

the guys who the cartoon is based on

Todays testimony gets worse! One of the RCMP officers had put his knee on Dziekanskis neck. I never saw that in the video. The taser RCMP officer admited that could cause damage, and he would never do that! That last officer is up next!
DeanK -their

RCMP are advertising for recruits. They need to hire 2000, and they have lowered their requirements. If you had a marihuana conviction, if it wasn't for selling, you could become an officer!

A recipe for police abuses





CANADIANS gained useful insight last week into why the RCMP officers were cleared by an outside review for their actions at the Vancouver airport the day Polish immigrant Robert Dziekanski was Tasered multiple times. Despite evidence the RCMP used excessive force, resulting in the man’s death, the officer who analysed their actions told an inquiry Thursday the force used was reasonable. That officer is wrong.

Canadians know this by now, having watched a bystander video of the RCMP’s encounter with Mr. Dziekanski Oct. 14, 2007. Some of those four officers have conceded at the inquiry that their accounts, recorded in notes, of Mr. Dziekanski’s actions at the airport were wrong.
That did not dissuade Sgt. Brad Fawcett of the Vancouver Police Department from sticking to his report's conclusions, rationalizing the use of force at the inquiry into Mr. Dziekanski's death. Sgt. Fawcett said the RCMP perceived they were under threat, that Mr. Dziekanski was combative and, under those conditions, acted reasonably when they discharged a Taser five times.
The traveller, who was lost in the airport for 10 hours, was agitated and threw furniture, but when the RCMP arrived, Mr. Dziekanski was not combative. In fact, he turned away from them, picked up a stapler and then faced them again. The officers said he raised the stapler and moved toward them combatively, but the video showed otherwise. They said, fearing for their safety, they had to wrestle him to the ground after he was Tasered once -- in fact, he flailed for a few seconds and then collapsed on the ground. The officers jumped on him, as he was still screaming, and tried to cuff him, at which point Mr. Dziekanski was Tasered again repeatedly.
Canadians have been shocked that a non-combative man with a harmless office tool was levelled by such force, with little effort made by police to understand the circumstances. Sgt. Fawcett himself said he would have reacted differently. But, he said, those officers reacted according to their perceptions of what was unfolding in front of them.
Sgt. Fawcett's report showed that he had to ignore the evidence to rationalize the inaccurate versions of events told by the RCMP -- saying the video supported their stories, when it didn't and then discounting as "minor in nature" the contradiction between the officers' account that Mr. Dziekanski had to be wrestled to the ground and the video that showed he collapsed.
Sgt. Fawcett ignored the obvious need for officers to explain their actions, and their perceptions, in the context of the facts of an event, of the circumstances in front of them, to justify their use of force. In the absence of that, reasonable becomes arbitrary and any use of force can be justified. That is not the kind of authority any officer should have.
Sgt. Fawcett's conclusions are insupportable and his weak attempts to paint the RCMP officers' actions as reasonable do them a disservice.
AND IN MANITOBA WE ARE GETTING POLICE OFFICERS TO INVESTIGATE POLICE OFFICERS!!

Every time I read about those fcuken killers, my blood boils.

Stop posting this sh t Rosie.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090421.wrcmptasers0421/BNStory/politics/home

OTTAWA — Opposition MPs accused RCMP Commissioner William Elliott of watering down the police force's restrictions on tasers, challenging the Commissioner to explain why a reference in the RCMP manual warning against repeated use of the stun gun was removed in the latest version of the policy.

Mr. Elliott said the new policy, which was completed in February and distributed to MPs this week, should be taken as a whole and he stressed that it does make the use of tasers more restrictive.

Liberal, Bloc Québécois and NDP MPs all asked Mr. Elliott to explain why a line in the previous policy informing officers not to use a taser repeatedly has been deleted.

Whoa, an apology !

April 22, 2009 at 5:10 AM EDT

VANCOUVER — The RCMP has admitted that it gave wrong information to the public about the circumstances of Polish immigrant Robert Dziekanski's death. But the force has denied that it lied or suppressed information about the disturbing circumstances of Mr. Dziekanski's death.

"We found that there was some information that was provided and made public that was not accurate," RCMP Sergeant Tim Shields told reporters during an impromptu briefing outside the Braidwood inquiry, which is probing Mr. Dziekanski's death.

"For those inaccuracies, we apologize and we are sorry," Sgt. Shields said.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090422.wbctaser22art2227/BNStory/National/home

They lied. The tried to deceive, cover-up their actions. It is this kind of "official" response that we see again and again that drives the public to distrust the police.

A clear and direct mea culpa is required if these bozos are to begin rehabilitating their reputation.

This clearly states then, that the cops involved lied in their statements I reckon. That is an important point, though we won't see the implications just yet.

sorry JTF.. more information.

http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/canada/2009/04/22/9207486.html

The cop who gave the press conferance the day after the guy died...Is not sure where he got the incorrect information from that he used at the initial press conference


yeah thats just great.

http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/canada/2009/04/22/9207486.html

Heh...another cop with a bad memory eh. Tsk tsk tsk.

Quelle surprise. My guess is he took a report from the officers involved, not aware that a video existed. When the video came to light that is when the cover-up and poor memories began.

These guys must be a stupid as a bag of hammers. To continue to pile bullsh1te on top of bullsh1te in spite of such overwhelming evidence exposing them as liars boggles the mind.

Yep probaly did .

almost sounds like the RCMP have been reading the Chinese police manual...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/5199325/Chinese-police-training-manual-offers-tips-on-the-best-way-to-beat-up-offenders.html

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The published sections of the manual explain that officers must quell any dispute swiftly. "Without letting go of the subject, several officers shall act together and in a single move take the individual under bodily control," it said. "Each action must be effective so as not to give the subject any pause for breath."
The manual also told officers they should not consider whether they are a physical match for the subject or whether they could harm the subject. "You must become a resolute law enforcer staunchly protecting the dignity of city administrative regulations," it reportedly said."

1 in 10 taZers operate outside manufacturers spec.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Tasers+malfunctions+Alberta+test/1525949/story.html

New testimony by an RCMP trainer- no medical information regarding multiple tasering so there is no training to warn of any dangers of multole tasering! I thought there was testimoy that the RCMP was told the more tasering the more dangerous it was?
I thought that in a test a pig was tasered multiple times, and it resulted in death?

they killed a fellow cop?