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the winnipeg sandbox » winnipeg sandbox.. » local... » Use less water, conserve...now water rates have to go up to make up the difference

Use less water, conserve...now water rates have to go up to make up the difference

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JT Estoban

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well isn't this nice...

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/2010/11/19/mb-water-rate-hike.html

"City Hall is proposing a water rate hike of 3.6 per cent to offset declining water revenues."

Revenues are down due to low flow shower heads, toilets, faucets and because the conservation message has been drilled into the subconscious. Not only that, but because the sewer charge is more than the water charge, most people don't want to pay more than they have to and use less.

So the lesson of the day is? Use more, and keep the prices down...or toss all those low-flow devices in the trash...either way, you're paying more.

St Norberter

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Shouldn't the decreased revenue from conservation be offset by decreased expenses?

http://bgilchrist.wordpress.com/

rosencrentz

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The only decrease in expenses would be the slower rate of wearing out the hardware. Less water useage wouldn't decrease anything else!

http://www.elansofas.com

AGEsAces

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yeah...cause nobody saw this one coming.

the same is going to happen with electricity as everyone goes "green"


WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN
is that the usage "levels off" because of new users. new homes, no owners/rentals

but since the population base isn't growing fast enough (or at least fast enough to offset the money they are losing from the "environmentally friendly" equipment.

http://www.photage.ca

JT Estoban

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Use less water, conserve...now water rates have to go up to make up the difference 114687

Deank

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Solution

lay off staff that are no longer needed.

eViL tRoLl

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rosencrentz wrote:The only decrease in expenses would be the slower rate of wearing out the hardware. Less water useage wouldn't decrease anything else!
Actually, many European cities have found that decreased water use causes bacteria growth and excessive sewer odours - and the costs to combat sewer deterioration due to under-use are very high. They are now encouraging citizens to use more water so that sewers get properly flushed!

AGEsAces

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eViL tRoLl wrote:
rosencrentz wrote:The only decrease in expenses would be the slower rate of wearing out the hardware. Less water useage wouldn't decrease anything else!
Actually, many European cities have found that decreased water use causes bacteria growth and excessive sewer odours - and the costs to combat sewer deterioration due to under-use are very high. They are now encouraging citizens to use more water so that sewers get properly flushed!

This is the troll in you right?

Water usage has nothing to do with any of those problems.
That's 100% engineering issues...which can easily be corrected by pumping grey water through the system and flushing it out...and not using any additional clean water.

http://www.photage.ca

sputnik

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Solution. Quit providing water services to sprawling low density suburbs.

Deank

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Better Solution: Charge a different (and proper) amount to provide water to low density suburbs.

sputnik

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Deank wrote:Better Solution: Charge a different (and proper) amount to provide water to low density suburbs.

That is effectively what they are doing.

Deank

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no it isn;t

they want to charge EVERYONE more. Only charge the people that COST more..

eViL tRoLl

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AGEsAces wrote:That's 100% engineering issues...which can easily be corrected by pumping grey water through the system and flushing it out...and not using any additional clean water.

It probably doesn't matter what kind of water it is. In Europe they are using clean drinking water because that is readily available at the nearest hydrant. Some communities are also placing antibacterial mats in the sewers in addition to flushing. Problem would go away if people used more water, but it will be difficult to undo decades of water conservation education (where there was no water shortage and hence no need to conserve).

Deank

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" (where there was no water shortage and hence no need to conserve)."

Like Winnipeg Smile

Deank

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http://winnipeg.ca/waterandwaste/water/conservation/consumptionReport.stm


the actual report on how much water we use.. since 1990 we are down 24 gigalitres


that is a crazy amount to be down.

but check this..

they dont know where 12 gigalitres went


AND our current capacity is 130 gigalitres per year. So we are barely using 50% of our capacity.

eViL tRoLl

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Today my landlord installed low flow devices in my dwelling. What a load of crap. Now it takes double the time to take a shower. There is not enough pressure on the kitchen tap to pre-rinse dishes, so now I have to run the dishwasher two or three times. End result - probably use more water but definitely waste much more of precious time.

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Did they count the water that is being used by "imported" bottlers ? Could they be making up the shortfall. (I am surprised they didn't use ml's to report, the number would have been truly astounding.)

The typical causes of unaccounted - for water are leaks in the
distribution system, water main flushing, sewer cleaning, water main renewals, meter errors,
fire fighting or theft.

grumpy old man

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Good points livio. Especially about bottled water. How much would that take up of the shortfall? Could sewer flow be calculated over the years to see if there is a similar shortfall?

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Any measured flow would not be accurate as we have a combined system in many areas whereby the sewage flows directly into the rivers numerous times a year.

eViL tRoLl

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Deank wrote:AND our current capacity is 130 gigalitres per year. So we are barely using 50% of our capacity.

With all this unused water going to waste, we should build a pipeline instead of a road to reserves and send it up north.

grumpy old man

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Good one. And give the natives jobs building the pipeline. Solve two problems at once!

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The water isn't being "wasted", we simply have the capacity for it. So, as we grow and we pull more water in , our system is built to handle the added flow.

It's a good thing. Now, about paying more because we are conserving , thats a bad thing.Wierd things happen when a City tries to operate like a corporation. Sensibilities get skewed by a perceived bottom line requirement.

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