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NDP sticks its nose where it dont belong yet again

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Deank

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http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/New-home-building-codes-taking-effect-in-December-105037219.html

"
Howard said when the new codes are fully implemented, Manitoba will be one of the most energy-efficient jurisdictions in North America. The code changes include:

  • specifying minimum energy-efficiency requirements for windows,
  • eliminating the pilot light in gas fireplaces,
  • increasing the required level of attic insulation to R50,
  • requiring a minimum 94 per cent fuel-efficiency rating for furnaces,
  • specifying a mid-efficient heat-recovery ventilator, and
  • introducing energy-modelling software that will allow builders to model alternatives to the code requirements.
Changes to the plumbing code allow for reduced maximum-flow rates in residential water devices such as toilets and shower heads."

Deank

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its is NONE of any governments business how much energy or water I use so piss off eh?

sputnik

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If the NDP REALLY wants to reduce power consumption they should START by charging Manitoba residents and businesses actual market rates for electricity.

grumpy old man

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Okay, I'm gonna bite. Why shouldn't government get involved in such things? There is a point when we need to start conserving. Be it water or energy.

Deank

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"There is a point when we need to start conserving."

Why?

grumpy old man

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A'cuz we are too wasteful?

Deank

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point being what? How is that anything to do with the government?

umcrouc0

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I'm not following. So the government provides electricity and water/sewage, but the use of those services doesn't have anything to do with the government?

Deank

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why do they get to ration it, when we have no reason to ration?

umcrouc0

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?

umcrouc0

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I forgot for a minute that the cost to provide and maintain these services has nothing to do with the capacity.

Deank

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the more I buy, they higher the profit margin.

eViL tRoLl

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Deank wrote:Changes to the plumbing code allow for reduced maximum-flow rates in residential water devices such as toilets and shower heads."

So now we will have to flush twice or thrice and a shower will take 10 minutes longer - great. Also, "conserving" water leads to reduced flushing of sewers and more sewer odors - great.

umcrouc0

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Deank wrote:the more I buy, they higher the profit margin.

Doesn't work like that when associated infrastructure costs aren't built into the price. There is no profit margin.

Electrician

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Could someone send a message down South sayin' they should do their part in conserving water, by keeping all their floodwaters for themselves?

http://www.new.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1416203996

Deank

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uhh..
what?

umcrouc0

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Our rates don't cover infrastructure costs. Some money from our rates goes towards infrastrucuture, but most of the costs come from other sources.

Deank

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not true,

And lets pretend it was... how does this matter to the person who does not live in the city? Has their own well and such? why should they be told what to have in their house?

umcrouc0

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So why do we get federal and provincial funding for sewage upgrades if our rates cover it?

If someone lives in an area where they aren't connected to utlities, they should be able to install what they want.

Deank

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"If someone lives in an area where they aren't connected to utlities, they should be able to install what they want."

not according to the new housing guidelines.

"So why do we get federal and provincial funding for sewage upgrades if our rates cover it?"

Because the feds and the province keep retroactively changing what the standards are.

umcrouc0

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So why don't we just change rates to make up the cost?

With the building codes it will be interesting to read how they are put together and how tight the requirements are. There always seem to be exceptions available to codes that aren't related to a health risk.

grumpy old man

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Deank wrote:why do they get to ration it, when we have no reason to ration?
So you're sayin' we only start rationing when we need to ration? That there is no point in getting a head start? No point in being more thrifty with our resources?

DeanK, perhaps help me understand what exactly your argument is here.

Deank

Deank
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My argument is simply that the government has no business telling me what kind of toiler or shower head I can have.

grumpy old man

grumpy old man
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There are other plumbing and electrical standards the government foists upon us now. What is different between the government telling you what size pipe you must use or what size wire? Or conserve power to avoid brown-outs?

I'm not being argumentative, I'm just not following...

JT Estoban

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I know a co-worker who says the same thing about light bulbs and lawn fertilizer...

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