survey on Winnipeg Police Service.

http://www.winnipeg.ca/finance/findata/matmgt/documents//2010/499-2010//499-2010_Bid_Opportunity.pdf


see page 15 for the start of the survey questions

actually some pretty good questions in there.

but one just does not make sense


62. RECORD RESPONDENT’S SEX – DO NOT ASK
(1) Male
(2) Female


So... that will be a very messed up statistic eh?

JTF wrote:There's even one for you DeanK....

Why didn’t you report this incident?
(1) Too inconvenient
(2) Too embarrassing
(3) Didn’t want my insurance premiums to increase
(4) Wasn’t serious enough to report
(5) I didn’t think the police could/would do anything about it
(6) I didn’t know how to contact the police
(7) I was directed to a Police Station/service center but the location was inconvenient
(8)Other (record) ________________

(9) DK

I have no idea what that's all about....the double posting.

8)Other (record) ________________


me and some buddies grabbed our bats, tracked the little a$$holes down and beat them to within an inch of their deaths. We then found their fathers and beat the crap out of them too. We figured since we metted out our own justice why bother reporting it to police.

Heh...though I'll bet that #5 is what applies mostly ...

(5) I didn’t think the police could/would do anything about it

holy cow.


Take a look at what a 600 person survey from last year turned up for bids to implement. What the heck are some of these companies thinking when putting in these bids? Also of note the winner was the 5720.00. Not bad work eh? $10 per call? Anyone want to bid on the police service questionairre with me? We can go say... $8 per call? 800 calls in 21 days so if we each make 21 calls per day... anyone?


BIDDER TOTAL BID PRICE
TELELINK CALL CENTRE 7,920.00
IPSOS REID CORPORATION 19,600.00
KISQUARED 9,612.00
DATA PROBE INC. 6,973.14
IN-TOUCH SURVEY SYSTEMS INC./MARKETLINE RESEARCH CORP. 7,900.00
PRA INC. 12,500.01
DIMARK RESEARCH INC. 7,000.00
HARRIS/DECIMA 13,950.00
NRG RESEARCH GROUP 11,675.00
AON CONSULTING INC. 22,608.00
3P CONSULTANTS INC. 6,000.00
MARKET DIMENSIONS 5,720.00

WTF is with the range of prices???

$5720......$22608
Very strange.

Management costs? No idea as the bid details are sealed but pretty damn outrageous eh?


Even more outrageous is when you stop and think for a minute and realize that IPSOS and AON do most of the Fed and Provincial government surveys.

This is how the survey introduces itself:

HELLO, MY NAME IS __________, FROM ______________ CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE
WINNIPEG POLICE SERVICE. WE ARE CONDUCTING A SURVEY OF WINNIPEGGERS’ ATTITUDES REGARDING THE WINNIPEG POLICE SERVICE. THIS TELEPHONE NUMBER HAS BEEN RANDOMLY SELECTED TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS SURVEY. I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT YOUR REPLIES ARE KEPT IN THE STRICTEST OF CONFIDENCE. IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO PARTICIPATE, WE WILL TERMINATE THE INTERVIEW NOW.

Right off the bat the survey will result in a slanted skewed result. Those that have a negative view might be frightened off and bow out or respond in a more favourable manner.

The survey should not be commissioned by the police nor associated with the police. It should be completely independent with only the results shared with the police.

The city needs to take the results and work with the police to clean up their image with very clear and specific initiatives.

It's pretty hard to change peoples' minds that believe (through experience) that reporting a crime only takes up their time and accomplishes nothing except adds a number to the statistics.

To the police and number keepers, I say, waste your own fricken time!!

heh.. todays papers...

Crime down across country...

REPORTED crime that is.

We should make it a crime to not report crime. Minimum jail time of 2 years

Heh....and turn over the enforcement to Stats Can.

no no.. let the cops enforce it.. they can even do stings whereby they break into houses or randomly assault people on the street and wait for the crime to be reported.

I thought that they were already doing that.

perhaps but this would also give them the chance to charge the people

heh.. check the bid range out on this one

http://www.winnipeg.ca/finance/findata/matmgt/documents//2009/883-2009//883-2009_Evaluated_Posted_Opening_Results.pdf

$900 to $53000

That is just crazy!!

Makes you want to see the content of the bids so that we can see why such a huge difference eh?

Paragon, which has been in the demo biz for a long time, should know what they're doing at $900.00 eh.

one guy with one maybe two helpers and a cutting torch.

Naw. They come in with a truck and an excavator.

ahh yes... smack that metal structure down. Good point

still dont know how the heck some could bid 53000.

Unfortunately...there's huge factors that aren't revealed by totals in bids.

1) Paragon could already be "on site" (or nearby) from a current ongoing job, so mobilization costs and setup costs are not factored in...thus giving them a slight advantage.
2) "High Bids" are quite often "dream bids" from companies who don't really want the job...but are required to bid on a certain number of projects in order to keep their company in the "loop" for other bids. Basically, they bid extremely high figuring if their bid actually gets selected...the extra costs will make it worth the extra effort they'll have to do.
3) Misread - it's also possible Paragon didn't read the whole spec, or put numbers in incorrectly/incomplete. A recent project we bid on, we were 3rd, but the low bid was more than $400k lower than the 2nd. It turns out, they missed some very important components in the specs...and misread some numbers in calculations in their rush to submit the tender. Had the city taken the bid...it could quite well have bankrupted that company.
4) Many times a bidder is waiting for numbers from their subtrades before they can put a bid together completely...and those numbers don't come in quickly enough to make the tender deadline.