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Funding Manitoba

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1Funding Manitoba Empty Funding Manitoba Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:40 am

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There is new 1% dedicated municipal tax proposal in front of Evil Doer, intended to fund Manitoba municipalities' infrastructure. Is this a reasonable new tax? Should we be increasing taxation to help fund our problematic infrastructure costs?

The Association of Manitoba Municipalities conducted a poll asking Manitoban's if they supported such a new tax. 54% said they do indeed support it.
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Does this poll indicate most Manitobans support such a tax?

2Funding Manitoba Empty Re: Funding Manitoba Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:46 am

grumpy old man

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In brodbeck's column today he says: "Baloney. If you actually read the poll they commissioned, the results are not as supportive as they claim.

Typical brodbeck. That poll is black and white. Is asks if you in favour or not. Not in brodbeck's world though. Because the in favour side says somewhat and strongly brodbeck suggests that is not as supportive as the MMP claims. By that logic one can assume only 12% oppose the new tax.

I'm actually in agreement with the poll. It does say 54% of Manitobans support the new tax.

How else can we spin this?

3Funding Manitoba Empty Re: Funding Manitoba Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:55 am

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Do you remember why the gas tax was implemented lets just get the parties to stick to their original bs on taxes or lets withhold them . Taxes

4Funding Manitoba Empty Re: Funding Manitoba Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:19 am

Electrician

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Why not make one ONE ONE flat tax of 20%. Have everything work out on that revenue. 20%.
That's all, no more paper work, no more hiding weird taxes, just a miserable 20% tax.
Then, all the money the taxpayers have left over can be spent for whatever reason they have or want.



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5Funding Manitoba Empty Re: Funding Manitoba Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:36 am

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If the province cannot move 1% around within their existing budget, these guys should not be in power and entrusted with spending tax dollars.

Btw GOM what does "somewhat support" really mean? Thanks, but I'll stick with the 24% number.

6Funding Manitoba Empty Re: Funding Manitoba Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:42 am

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The "somewhat" figure ususally means I'm ok with it so long as it's someone else paying and not me.

7Funding Manitoba Empty Re: Funding Manitoba Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:27 am

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http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/3_new_taxes_in_Thompson_rejected.html
3 of thompsons taxes were rejected.
But that is not the important part. This comment is.
“Quite frankly, this climate was not the time to be looking at additional tax burdens,” said Intergovernmental Affairs Minister and Thompson MLA Steve Ashton."

8Funding Manitoba Empty Re: Funding Manitoba Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:53 am

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Deank wrote:http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/3_new_taxes_in_Thompson_rejected.html
3 of thompsons taxes were rejected.
But that is not the important part. This comment is.
“Quite frankly, this climate was not the time to be looking at additional tax burdens,” said Intergovernmental Affairs Minister and Thompson MLA Steve Ashton."
Absolutely Fricken Unbelieveable!!!

Raise taxes during a recessionary period in this economic climate!!!!

One word for these guys....IDIOTS.

9Funding Manitoba Empty Re: Funding Manitoba Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:19 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:In brodbeck's column today he says: "Baloney. If you actually read the poll they commissioned, the results are not as supportive as they claim.

Typical brodbeck. That poll is black and white. Is asks if you in favour or not. Not in brodbeck's world though. Because the in favour side says somewhat and strongly brodbeck suggests that is not as supportive as the MMP claims. By that logic one can assume only 12% oppose the new tax.

I'm actually in agreement with the poll. It does say 54% of Manitobans support the new tax.

How else can we spin this?

Polsters need to learn how to ask questions.

The question should be.
Would you support a 1% sales tax increase to be used for Infrastructure only.

YES or NO.
there should be none of the shaded of grey BS answers like eg. 1 to 5, 5 being very much and 1 being not so much. this leads the respondent to say yes thinking he is saying no by responding "Yes, Not so much"

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

10Funding Manitoba Empty Re: Funding Manitoba Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:20 pm

Deank

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what the heck is up with this page?
Its all messed up since my post and I can only post more by hitting the quote button on someone elses message as there is no message box at the bottom of the page

11Funding Manitoba Empty Re: Funding Manitoba Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:24 pm

grumpy old man

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Never heard that one. Hey Deank, how come youse is the only one that has trouble on this forum? For everybody else it works perfectly. I think you need to reformat your hard drive and reinstall Windows Office. Then reboot twelve times. That should solve your problem.

12Funding Manitoba Empty Re: Funding Manitoba Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:26 pm

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LivingDead wrote:Polsters need to learn how to ask questions.

The question should be.
Would you support a 1% sales tax increase to be used for Infrastructure only.

YES or NO.
there should be none of the shaded of grey BS answers like eg. 1 to 5, 5 being very much and 1 being not so much. this leads the respondent to say yes thinking he is saying no by responding "Yes, Not so much"
I agree. But, that said, the poll does not provide a neutral opinion. So you do have to agree or disagree. The shades of grey allow the Tom Brodbeck's and Marty Gold's of this world to spin them for the gullible of this world.

13Funding Manitoba Empty Re: Funding Manitoba Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:35 pm

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I blame it on the rest of you are content to let the Microsoft bashers of the world control what you think and believe.

14Funding Manitoba Empty Re: Funding Manitoba Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:12 pm

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By forcing a response on a two point scale (Yes, No) you'd be forcing more people to respond "I don't know".

Further, there is no such response as "Yes, Not so much".

Usually the way it is worded is more like:
Strongly agree
Somewhat agree
Somewhat disagree
Strongly disagree

And as GOM pointed out, everyone was forced to choose. I suspect if there was a "neutral" you would find more people sitting on the fence.

15Funding Manitoba Empty Re: Funding Manitoba Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:55 pm

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LivingDead wrote:

Polsters need to learn how to ask questions.

The question should be.
Would you support a 1% sales tax increase to be used for Infrastructure only.

I would ask:
"Would YOU be willing to pay a 1% sales tax increase to be used for infrastructure only.

16Funding Manitoba Empty Re: Funding Manitoba Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:55 pm

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Deank wrote:what the heck is up with this page?
Its all messed up since my post and I can only post more by hitting the quote button on someone elses message as there is no message box at the bottom of the page
It's messed up for me also. Same to post.

17Funding Manitoba Empty Re: Funding Manitoba Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:01 pm

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IE6, right?

18Funding Manitoba Empty Re: Funding Manitoba Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:04 pm

LivingDead

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incognito wrote:
LivingDead wrote:

Polsters need to learn how to ask questions.

The question should be.
Would you support a 1% sales tax increase to be used for Infrastructure only.

I would ask:
"Would YOU be willing to pay a 1% sales tax increase to be used for infrastructure only.

I would vote. NO, I am not willing to pay 1% tax.
I would however be willing to vote "yes" on cutting back Provincial employee's salaries by 5%. Including MLA's salaries and a 40 % reduction in what they are allowed to claim for expenses. Smile

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19Funding Manitoba Empty Re: Funding Manitoba Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:06 pm

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JTF wrote:
Deank wrote:what the heck is up with this page?
Its all messed up since my post and I can only post more by hitting the quote button on someone elses message as there is no message box at the bottom of the page
It's messed up for me also. Same to post.

fixed now?

20Funding Manitoba Empty Re: Funding Manitoba Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:08 pm

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FlyingRat wrote:IE6, right?
I believe so... Sad

21Funding Manitoba Empty Re: Funding Manitoba Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:09 pm

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Fixed for me.

22Funding Manitoba Empty Re: Funding Manitoba Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:12 pm

FlyingRat

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You're welcome.

23Funding Manitoba Empty Re: Funding Manitoba Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:21 pm

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Heh..thank you.

24Funding Manitoba Empty Re: Funding Manitoba Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:17 pm

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Jesus... I was just at Taxtpis.ca Checking out a tax comparison between all 10 provinces.

DAMN. is all I have to say. In my tax bracket I pay the second highest provincial taxes in all of Canada.

BC, ON and AB are the lowest.

Over all, Manitobans pay a lot of provincial Income tax. Maybe our government should learn how to budget better, and while they are at it. Learn how to get more bang for our buck!

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

25Funding Manitoba Empty Re: Funding Manitoba Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:04 am

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Why does there need to be any new taxes?

I think the politicians need to learn how to spend money more wisely...stop spending, and then coming back to the public begging for more money (and when they don't get it...stealing it).

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