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the winnipeg sandbox » winnipeg sandbox.. » business... » shakes head in general direction of out of work tembec employees.

shakes head in general direction of out of work tembec employees.

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JTF wrote:Isn't that what they just tried to do? ...only through a employee based group?

not really.
1) Tembec wont sell the equipment at a major loss
2) The employees refuse to work cheaply enough

Could the employee based group make it happen? yeah.. if they hired other people to work cheaper then they were willing to.

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There was a HUGE investment in that mill made in 2005? $125 million. Another one in 2001(?). Not sure if that would position that mill to fill a niche though. I assume it would have.

There was also the cost of just opening the doors. Last year the company spent in the area of hundreds of thousands of dollars maintaining an empty mill (heat, security and maintenance I suspect).

That mill would have to be very productive I'd say to be viable. With high labour costs I suspect there was simply no way to make a go of it. Real concessions were needed.

The union called their bluff and lost big time.

JT Estoban

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Now MLA's are calling for a provincial bail out...

Jebus...

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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/2010/08/24/mb-pine-falls-mill-manitoba.html

"That adjustment fund of $1 million given by the province eight months ago is pitiful," he said.

"To put it into perspective, that $1 million is equivalent to one month's salary for everybody that worked at Tembec. That's all it really is. [It] certainly isn't enough to deal with the economic devastation that has occurred as a result of this announcement."


1 million / 250 = $4000 per month.

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JT Estoban wrote:Now MLA's are calling for a provincial bail out...

Jebus...

Bail them out of what?

Let it close and let the former employees move on.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

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Let's see McFadyen weigh in on this.

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LivingDead wrote:
JT Estoban wrote:Now MLA's are calling for a provincial bail out...

Jebus...

Bail them out of what?

Let it close and let the former employees move on.

yeah I dont get that... how do we bail them out? Purchase the company and the title to all the surrounding timber and just give it to the workers?

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Deank wrote:
LivingDead wrote:
JT Estoban wrote:Now MLA's are calling for a provincial bail out...

Jebus...

Bail them out of what?

Let it close and let the former employees move on.

yeah I dont get that... how do we bail them out? Purchase the company and the title to all the surrounding timber and just give it to the workers?

And then the government can buy all the product that they produce at a fixed rate, set for perpetuity.

(Jeez, I should be a union negotiator)

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I think that's what was being requested.

Freeman

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Probably makes sense to the NDP government. At least they get to keep 250 or so votes.

LivingDead

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If the business is failing, why waste our tax dollars on it. The employees with skills will find other work.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

Deank

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"The town of Bisset has a mine where many former mill workers have also
found employment, but it is 120 kilometres from Pine Falls"

aww.. poor babies.. have to drive an hour to work each morning..


Freeman

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Maybe more, that road is a b1tch.

Deank

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meh.. or they can just all GET HIGH PAYING JOBS ON THE SOON TO BE EAST ROAD

grumpy old man

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Build rapid transit. You guys are rather thick this morning.

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Deank wrote:yeah I dont get that... how do we bail them out? Purchase the company and the title to all the surrounding timber and just give it to the workers?

I wouldn't be surprised if that's what they were asking for/expecting.

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