http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/winnipeg/2009/08/06/10375406-sun.html
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2 Re: Suing a charity. Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:15 pm
Deank
contributor eminence
Thankfully the child is not dead.
They should have taken better care of the property
they have insurance precisely for that reason.
They should have also responded much better then.. meh we have insurance...
They should have taken better care of the property
they have insurance precisely for that reason.
They should have also responded much better then.. meh we have insurance...
3 Re: Suing a charity. Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:01 pm
grumpy old man
administrator
Agreed. If they did indeed respond with that comment someone should get slapped. However, we have but one side on this...
4 Re: Suing a charity. Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:06 pm
Deank
contributor eminence
As to the suing part.
is $100K (numbered pulled out of my arse) or any other amount of money going to get the kid to unplug the vacuum?
doubtful,
is $100K (numbered pulled out of my arse) or any other amount of money going to get the kid to unplug the vacuum?
doubtful,
5 Re: Suing a charity. Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:07 pm
grumpy old man
administrator
I want Canadian courts to recognize these lawsuits for what they are: cash grabs. Give the kid a token amount for his discomfort. Deduct something for his own stupidity. And keep whatever is left outta dad's hands.
6 Re: Suing a charity. Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:20 pm
Miz point
uber-contributor
grumpy old man wrote:I want Canadian courts to recognize these lawsuits for what they are: cash grabs. Give the kid a token amount for his discomfort. Deduct something for his own stupidity. And keep whatever is left outta dad's hands.
Agreed.....dude looks dodgy.
7 Re: Suing a charity. Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:23 pm
Bartron
major-contributor
Miz point wrote:grumpy old man wrote:I want Canadian courts to recognize these lawsuits for what they are: cash grabs. Give the kid a token amount for his discomfort. Deduct something for his own stupidity. And keep whatever is left outta dad's hands.
Agreed.....dude looks dodgy.
What I don't understand is if you know the news paper is coming to interview you, wouldn't you want to dress somewhat respectable. The shirt he's wearing certainly isn't going to help in the court of public opinion.
8 Re: Suing a charity. Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:27 pm
Freeman
uber-contributor
This is just crap. Sure, the plug should have been in better shape, but who says it was ok yesterday, but someone messed it up overnight. Court decisions are based on what is "reasonable".
As far as the suit, what does this a$$hole figure to gain. He has to prove damages, which translates into $$. What "damages" has he suffered? No one wants to see a little kid get hurt, but afterall, lets be "reasonable".
Sure would like to hear what a$$hole dad had to say before the guy in the office brought up insurance.
Working for a charity, our liability is no different than anyone else. I would bet that they heard a shakedown coming and thats what created the "bad attitude". I'd do the same.
As far as the suit, what does this a$$hole figure to gain. He has to prove damages, which translates into $$. What "damages" has he suffered? No one wants to see a little kid get hurt, but afterall, lets be "reasonable".
Sure would like to hear what a$$hole dad had to say before the guy in the office brought up insurance.
Working for a charity, our liability is no different than anyone else. I would bet that they heard a shakedown coming and thats what created the "bad attitude". I'd do the same.
9 Re: Suing a charity. Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:28 pm
Freeman
uber-contributor
Bartron wrote:Miz point wrote:grumpy old man wrote:I want Canadian courts to recognize these lawsuits for what they are: cash grabs. Give the kid a token amount for his discomfort. Deduct something for his own stupidity. And keep whatever is left outta dad's hands.
Agreed.....dude looks dodgy.
What I don't understand is if you know the news paper is coming to interview you, wouldn't you want to dress somewhat respectable. The shirt he's wearing certainly isn't going to help in the court of public opinion.
Maybe thats the way lawyers dress on their days off?
10 Re: Suing a charity. Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:37 pm
SMW
major-contributor
Well, lawyers are rats...
(...if you believe Maclean's)
(...if you believe Maclean's)
11 Re: Suing a charity. Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:40 pm
grumpy old man
administrator
106 comments on the Sun website. Might be a record! Every reader commented... That might be why they aren't available...
13 Re: Suing a charity. Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:07 pm
Miz point
uber-contributor
Bartron wrote:Miz point wrote:grumpy old man wrote:I want Canadian courts to recognize these lawsuits for what they are: cash grabs. Give the kid a token amount for his discomfort. Deduct something for his own stupidity. And keep whatever is left outta dad's hands.
Agreed.....dude looks dodgy.
What I don't understand is if you know the news paper is coming to interview you, wouldn't you want to dress somewhat respectable. The shirt he's wearing certainly isn't going to help in the court of public opinion.
Glad someone else has good dress sense....I mean really, dude be wearing a wife beater shirt!! What a hoser.
14 Re: Suing a charity. Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:04 pm
rosencrentz
uber-contributor
Liability insurance is there to look after claims like this. The institute wouldn't be expected to answer to anyone, and unfortunitely our legal system is called adversorial.
When I was arrested ( a gross mistake) I asked for compensation from the City and was told to stuff it! I filed a claim and there was an immediate settlement with an apology, as an error had been made.
No lawsuit no settlement. The sad part was my wife wanted to start her own claim because the police brought me back home!
When I was arrested ( a gross mistake) I asked for compensation from the City and was told to stuff it! I filed a claim and there was an immediate settlement with an apology, as an error had been made.
No lawsuit no settlement. The sad part was my wife wanted to start her own claim because the police brought me back home!
15 Re: Suing a charity. Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:06 pm
rosencrentz
uber-contributor
I bet you being electrocuted will be worth $10,000. You have to check the cases down at the lawcourt museum, no library, sorry Triniman.
16 Re: Suing a charity. Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:12 pm
umcrouc0
contributor plus
Sucks that the kid got shocked but suing is stupid. I don't blame the guy from the charity for getting pissed off. They fixed the problem, and called the guy to talk about it. If I did that and he started talking about having photos of the exposed wires I'd probably tell him the same thing. If your kid is electrocuted and you go start taking pictures of the wires the same night it really sounds like you're trying to get something out of it. If it's such a problem, instead of taking pictures how about go put a bag and sign over top of it so other people don't touch it before it's fixed? The charity should get the kid a bike or something because of what happened but that's it.
17 Re: Suing a charity. Fri Aug 07, 2009 6:20 pm
rosencrentz
uber-contributor
"Suing is stupid"?? Why ? What did the insurance company, who are responsible to look after the claim ,do?
The Charity has nothing to do with the claim, and probably aren't even allowed to try and settle it! It is not the Charities area of expertise.
The Charity has nothing to do with the claim, and probably aren't even allowed to try and settle it! It is not the Charities area of expertise.
18 Re: Suing a charity. Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:39 pm
Guest
Guest
grumpy old man wrote:I want Canadian courts to recognize these lawsuits for what they are: cash grabs. Give the kid a token amount for his discomfort. Deduct something for his own stupidity. And keep whatever is left outta dad's hands.
Agreed,
I highly doubt the Heart & Stroke Foundation would reply in a manner like that. And to sue a charity which benefits millions of Canadians? Who does this clown think he is?
19 Re: Suing a charity. Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:25 pm
Freeman
uber-contributor
Liability insurance for NPO's has been a struggle over the last few years. there have been cases where organizations have had to fold because the could not get liability insurance or their premiums were so high, they couldn't afford them and went out of business. While all organizations should carry liability and directors liability insurance (the directors are volunteers and they need some protection), it certainly isn't with this type of lame ass action in mind. All this a$$hole has done is make it more difficult for good people to try to do the good work they perform for their respective cause.
Take the kid to McDonalds and give his dad a new Wal Mart T shirt and be done with it.
Take the kid to McDonalds and give his dad a new Wal Mart T shirt and be done with it.
20 Re: Suing a charity. Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:51 am
Guest
Guest
What??? Charities don't have dickheads working for them???
"Charities" are businesses now...nothing less.. and should be held accountable.
Hope the kid gets a bundle for his trouble.
"Charities" are businesses now...nothing less.. and should be held accountable.
Hope the kid gets a bundle for his trouble.
21 Re: Suing a charity. Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:03 am
Freeman
uber-contributor
Many charities have dickheads working for them, some have more and some have bigger dickheads, but the point here is that this incident has nothing to do with the fact that its a charity, but the merit of the case. Sure it scared the crap out of the kid, but is it a case of wanton neglect, or is it a case of some other dickhead smashed the sh1t out of the bos which resulted in a short?
22 Re: Suing a charity. Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:09 am
Guest
Guest
I agree.
However, I think it more than just scared the crap out of the kid.
The wiring could have killed the kid afterall.
However, I think it more than just scared the crap out of the kid.
The wiring could have killed the kid afterall.
23 Re: Suing a charity. Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:16 am
Freeman
uber-contributor
True, 120 volts has the potential to kill. My point is that such dangers exist all over the place, but is it negligence worthy of a lawsuit?
24 Re: Suing a charity. Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:20 am
grumpy old man
administrator
Even if it is worthy of a lawsuit is it worth "a bundle"? Give the kid a token amount and let him get on with life. Chances are he'd probably have forgotten about it by now were it not for the controversy...
25 Re: Suing a charity. Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:33 am
Guest
Guest
It appears that the charity is doing the wrong thing here, imho. (It should not have handled it this way, obviously, or there would be no bad publicity over it.)
The wiring is a serious situation that could have killed somebody and should not be characterized as a small, innocuous incident. The way the kid is being treated can result in some punitive damages here, imo.
Bad behaviour should never be rewarded, and that is what would happen if this was swept under the carpet.
The wiring is a serious situation that could have killed somebody and should not be characterized as a small, innocuous incident. The way the kid is being treated can result in some punitive damages here, imo.
Bad behaviour should never be rewarded, and that is what would happen if this was swept under the carpet.
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