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2 Re: poll Says NDP are still king! Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:13 am
Triniman
general-contributor
The public is not responding to the Liberals or Conservatives. Both parties are useless. We need a new one. The NDP deserve to be in second or third place.
3 Re: poll Says NDP are still king! Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:11 am
cherenkov
contributor plus
NDP will rule until they run into the same thing that killed the Filmon Tories -- decreased transfer payments from the feds. Probably about 2 years from now you will likely see transfer payments getting hacked and slashed. Whoever is in charge at the federal level will have no choice but to do it to get Cdn finances back on track.
4 Re: poll Says NDP are still king! Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:01 pm
umcrouc0
contributor plus
It's pretty tough for the other parties to make much ground these days. MB has been doing reasonably well lately.
5 Re: poll Says NDP are still king! Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:07 pm
EdWin
major-contributor
cherenkov wrote:NDP will rule until they run into the same thing that killed the Filmon Tories -- decreased transfer payments from the feds. Probably about 2 years from now you will likely see transfer payments getting hacked and slashed. Whoever is in charge at the federal level will have no choice but to do it to get Cdn finances back on track.
We need to keep going with large federal bailout, err I mean transfer packages. That is the key to a strong economic future.
Gee, that doesn't boast very well for Manitoba; a very poor mindset for not wanting to escape the "have not" status as a province.
6 Re: poll Says NDP are still king! Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:14 pm
grumpy old man
administrator
Ummm, what exactly are you saying EdWin?
What cherenkov is saying is it will take the loss of transfer dollars to move Manitobans to change their mindset. Manitoban's don't seem to like change much and it will take the change-driving loss of billions to move us.
Few thinkers believe Manitoba is "performing" well because the NDP is doing a good job. When the transfer dollars begin to decrease the NDP will be exposed for the twits they are...
What cherenkov is saying is it will take the loss of transfer dollars to move Manitobans to change their mindset. Manitoban's don't seem to like change much and it will take the change-driving loss of billions to move us.
Few thinkers believe Manitoba is "performing" well because the NDP is doing a good job. When the transfer dollars begin to decrease the NDP will be exposed for the twits they are...
7 Re: poll Says NDP are still king! Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:34 pm
EdWin
major-contributor
grumpy old man wrote:Ummm, what exactly are you saying EdWin?
What cherenkov is saying is it will take the loss of transfer dollars to move Manitobans to change their mindset. Manitoban's don't seem to like change much and it will take the change-driving loss of billions to move us.
Few thinkers believe Manitoba is "performing" well because the NDP is doing a good job. When the transfer dollars begin to decrease the NDP will be exposed for the twits they are...
Right, but I don't understand how so many voters still believe that the NDP are responsible for all of the growth that is occuring in the province. That's like people saying all the growth in Alberta is ONLY because of the oil; maybe half or 2/3 of it, but not ALL of it.
Until then, the province of Manitoba along with several other provinces, will see federal transfer payments like crack cocaine; once you start it's very difficult to stop.
8 Re: poll Says NDP are still king! Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:37 pm
grumpy old man
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Indeed it is. I believe too many have not a clue what drives this province. Others, true NDPers want what we have and make no apologies. Still others are completely ambivalent. That is why we keep reelecting this government.
Only when they feel real pain will they vote to change.
All the more reason to build a party that stands for real change.
Only when they feel real pain will they vote to change.
All the more reason to build a party that stands for real change.
9 Re: poll Says NDP are still king! Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:57 pm
cherenkov
contributor plus
Most people have a general sense that things are going well. They see new buildings going up downtown -- Hydro, WRHA, UofW; they hear on TV that the unemployment rate is low; they see Gary Doer smiling on TV all the time. Your Average Joe doesn't have the motivation to dig deeper to see what really going on: that private sector jobs are not growing, that the construction is all government funded, that unemployment is low because labourforce participation is low, etc...
As long as things seem to be OK, then Guy Smilie will continue to be popular. Only when the Feds drop the hammer on transfer payments will things no longer appear to be rosy.
As long as things seem to be OK, then Guy Smilie will continue to be popular. Only when the Feds drop the hammer on transfer payments will things no longer appear to be rosy.
10 Re: poll Says NDP are still king! Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:00 pm
Deank
contributor eminence
And transfer payments will not drop until we end up with a majority in government.
11 Re: poll Says NDP are still king! Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:04 pm
cherenkov
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That's probably right, unfortunately.Deank wrote:And transfer payments will not drop until we end up with a majority in government.
12 Re: poll Says NDP are still king! Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:05 pm
umcrouc0
contributor plus
Where are private sector jobs growing right now? Of course the construction is government funded. It's called stimulus infrastructure spending and one of the few things a government can directly do to ride out a recession.
13 Re: poll Says NDP are still king! Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:08 pm
Deank
contributor eminence
"one of the few things a government can directly do to ride out a recession."
the provincial government has been dumping crazy amounts of money into contruction and other areas long before the "recession" hit.
the provincial government has been dumping crazy amounts of money into contruction and other areas long before the "recession" hit.
14 Re: poll Says NDP are still king! Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:11 pm
umcrouc0
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Infrastructure projects?
15 Re: poll Says NDP are still king! Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:28 pm
Deank
contributor eminence
nah... buildings of little real need as well as hiring of people of little real need.
16 Re: poll Says NDP are still king! Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:29 pm
umcrouc0
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Sounds like them.
17 Re: poll Says NDP are still king! Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:36 pm
Deank
contributor eminence
the case can sort of be made that real infrastructure improvements ( roads bridges ) are neccessary expenses. But we are still spending money that is not our to improove them.
18 Re: poll Says NDP are still king! Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:52 pm
grumpy old man
administrator
The other problem with that spending is it does not build/increase collateral spending. Once it's gone it's gone.
That is why stimulating private sector spending is the way to go. The problem as I see it umcrouc0 is this province has had very very little private sector spending in a very long time. Evil Doer has been promoting public sector spend as a growth engine. It never has been and never will be. Evil Doer is about to find out just how unsustainable it is.
Many people will find out the hard way. It will hurt.
That is why stimulating private sector spending is the way to go. The problem as I see it umcrouc0 is this province has had very very little private sector spending in a very long time. Evil Doer has been promoting public sector spend as a growth engine. It never has been and never will be. Evil Doer is about to find out just how unsustainable it is.
Many people will find out the hard way. It will hurt.
19 Re: poll Says NDP are still king! Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:08 pm
umcrouc0
contributor plus
I don't know that I agree that there's been little private sector spending. Not in noticable infrastructure but manufacturing is really where our economic base is and there has been a lot of work in the past few years on plant upgrades for new product lines. And there was a pretty big issue recently with companies not being able to take on more work because of the labour shortage so they needed to turn away bids. From what I've seen there's a pretty solid base with potential to keep growing.
20 Re: poll Says NDP are still king! Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:14 pm
EdWin
major-contributor
umcrouc0 wrote:I don't know that I agree that there's been little private sector spending.
I would say that in comparison with each other, private spending is dwarfed by government spending.
21 Re: poll Says NDP are still king! Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:16 pm
umcrouc0
contributor plus
What should the private sector be spending more on?
22 Re: poll Says NDP are still king! Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:17 pm
Deank
contributor eminence
"And there was a pretty big issue recently with companies not being able to take on more work because of the labour shortage so they needed to turn away bids"
and where were all those people working??? bets on government jobs?
and where were all those people working??? bets on government jobs?
23 Re: poll Says NDP are still king! Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:20 pm
umcrouc0
contributor plus
The government doesn't employ that many engineers and techs.
24 Re: poll Says NDP are still king! Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:25 pm
umcrouc0
contributor plus
But what they are doing is putting more money into training programs to help manufacturing companies keep up and to help support new contracts. I'm sure if another party was in power they'd do the exact same thing.
25 Re: poll Says NDP are still king! Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:27 pm
grumpy old man
administrator
We need major expenditures: new companies bring new jobs into the city and province. There has been some for sure, but not as much as we need to balance out the capital expenditures. My point is most government expenditures are not sustainable.
Sort of give a man a fish/teach a man to fish kinda thing.
Sort of give a man a fish/teach a man to fish kinda thing.
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