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how many absences should an MP get before their pay is cut and are prevented from running
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FlyingRat
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1 how many absences should an MP get before their pay is cut and are prevented from running Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:39 pm
Deank
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2 Re: how many absences should an MP get before their pay is cut and are prevented from running Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:16 pm
grumpy old man
administrator
Wow. Does count iggy EVER attend?
Dude talks alot about democracy but rarely seems to exercise it in person.
Dude talks alot about democracy but rarely seems to exercise it in person.
3 Re: how many absences should an MP get before their pay is cut and are prevented from running Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:19 pm
FlyingRat
moderator
That is an awesome page! Jim Maloway has spoken more words than the next 3 most talkative MPs! WTF!
4 Re: how many absences should an MP get before their pay is cut and are prevented from running Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:35 pm
Deank
contributor eminence
grumpy old man wrote:Wow. Does count iggy EVER attend?
Dude talks alot about democracy but rarely seems to exercise it in person.
thats just session 3.. check out session 1 and 2.. its disgraceful
do some playing with the way to list and see the sea of blue when you look at absences.
look at the sea of orange when you sort it by bills tabled... that should be RED since they are the official opposition. Its like the Libs decided to not even bother attending
5 Re: how many absences should an MP get before their pay is cut and are prevented from running Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:12 pm
JT Estoban
major-contributor
Libs have been phoning it in since CSL-Martin jumped for the life rafts.
NDP'ers have been more focused and organized...it starts with having a leader, someone the party faithful can identify with. The NDP and the Conservatives have such a person. The libs...well, yeah, never mind!
NDP'ers have been more focused and organized...it starts with having a leader, someone the party faithful can identify with. The NDP and the Conservatives have such a person. The libs...well, yeah, never mind!
6 Re: how many absences should an MP get before their pay is cut and are prevented from running Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:18 pm
Deank
contributor eminence
since the Con dont stand a hope in hell in Winnipeg North I would almost consider voting NDP... if there representative was anyone but Miss blackie.
7 Re: how many absences should an MP get before their pay is cut and are prevented from running Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:25 pm
JT Estoban
major-contributor
I live in Elmwood, and I do not identify with any single political party.
Should I bother to vote at all, considering Maloway will win with or without my help?
I used to vote for the candidate, recently I've been voting to show Blakie/Maloway they don't have the entire constituency's support...but in the big picture that means absolutely nothing and is redundant.
This is starting to feel like groundhog day...
Should I bother to vote at all, considering Maloway will win with or without my help?
I used to vote for the candidate, recently I've been voting to show Blakie/Maloway they don't have the entire constituency's support...but in the big picture that means absolutely nothing and is redundant.
This is starting to feel like groundhog day...
8 Re: how many absences should an MP get before their pay is cut and are prevented from running Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:38 pm
Guest
Guest
Deank wrote:since the Con dont stand a hope in hell in Winnipeg North I would almost consider voting NDP... if there representative was anyone but Miss blackie.
Perhaps the same idea has occured to others but differs in them thinking a Tory will have a chance.
9 Re: how many absences should an MP get before their pay is cut and are prevented from running Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:50 pm
Deank
contributor eminence
you know JTF if they at least ran a candidate that had any idea about the riding and did anything in the riding, maybe some door to door and actually spoke up and such.. they would stand a chance.
She is not in the riding
She does not answer emails
I dont have the time nor the drive to BEG a candidate to allow me to vote for them.
Until such time as the cons respect Winnipeg North, Winnipeg North wont respect or elect a con.
She is not in the riding
She does not answer emails
I dont have the time nor the drive to BEG a candidate to allow me to vote for them.
Until such time as the cons respect Winnipeg North, Winnipeg North wont respect or elect a con.
10 Re: how many absences should an MP get before their pay is cut and are prevented from running Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:21 pm
AGEsAces
moderator
It would be a simple fix if they could get it through.
A simple "majority vote of those present" would solve all the problems in one sweep.
It would then be a true sense of "Democracy", as any election is. As a candidate does not get voted in by a majority of available voters, it's a majority of those who show up to vote.
So any bill being presented should get passed by those who show up. And if the Liberals decide they don't want to show up...then they should have nothing to complain about when bills get passed due to their absence.
A simple "majority vote of those present" would solve all the problems in one sweep.
It would then be a true sense of "Democracy", as any election is. As a candidate does not get voted in by a majority of available voters, it's a majority of those who show up to vote.
So any bill being presented should get passed by those who show up. And if the Liberals decide they don't want to show up...then they should have nothing to complain about when bills get passed due to their absence.
11 Re: how many absences should an MP get before their pay is cut and are prevented from running Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:25 pm
Deank
contributor eminence
umm.. that is how our bills work.. majority of those present.
Problem is the Libs were basically saying.. we dont agree with Con bills... BUT....we dont want to bring the government down because we know we will be decimated at the polls sooo.... we just wont show up to vote.
Problem is the Libs were basically saying.. we dont agree with Con bills... BUT....we dont want to bring the government down because we know we will be decimated at the polls sooo.... we just wont show up to vote.
12 Re: how many absences should an MP get before their pay is cut and are prevented from running Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:35 pm
Guest
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Deank wrote:you know JTF if they at least ran a candidate that had any idea about the riding and did anything in the riding, maybe some door to door and actually spoke up and such.. they would stand a chance.
She is not in the riding
She does not answer emails
I dont have the time nor the drive to BEG a candidate to allow me to vote for them.
Until such time as the cons respect Winnipeg North, Winnipeg North wont respect or elect a con.
That's why it will continue to be represented by goofs that just sit in the back row and bobble their heads.
13 Re: how many absences should an MP get before their pay is cut and are prevented from running Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:37 pm
AGEsAces
moderator
then i'm confused...and misunderstanding the problem here.
Quite honestly...if they don't show up to vote...they have nothing to complain about.
And to answer the thread question...the answer should be "1".
A missed vote should have a fine levied against that MP for failure to do their job.
Certain exceptions may be applied, provided they are in writing, and meet other criteria:
Doctor's note, family emergency, state of emergency in their area, etc....but just a "no-show"...issue the fine.
And then, miss more than (I'd use a percentage rather than a number) say 10% of all the votes...they are no longer eligible to run for office.
Quite honestly...if they don't show up to vote...they have nothing to complain about.
And to answer the thread question...the answer should be "1".
A missed vote should have a fine levied against that MP for failure to do their job.
Certain exceptions may be applied, provided they are in writing, and meet other criteria:
Doctor's note, family emergency, state of emergency in their area, etc....but just a "no-show"...issue the fine.
And then, miss more than (I'd use a percentage rather than a number) say 10% of all the votes...they are no longer eligible to run for office.
14 Re: how many absences should an MP get before their pay is cut and are prevented from running Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:43 pm
rosencrentz
uber-contributor
Nothing wrong with that part of the system. I have a clear picture in my mind of Dion and the Liberals walking out on a vote. There was nothing else that they could do , was there?
That is why the Conservatives , under Harper, had my vote! They ran the show as if they had a majority to get their bills through parliament.
I don't think someone has to be there to vote to collect their paycheck. If it was important there would be a rule!
That is why the Conservatives , under Harper, had my vote! They ran the show as if they had a majority to get their bills through parliament.
I don't think someone has to be there to vote to collect their paycheck. If it was important there would be a rule!
15 Re: how many absences should an MP get before their pay is cut and are prevented from running Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:46 pm
Deank
contributor eminence
AGEsAces wrote:then i'm confused...and misunderstanding the problem here.
Quite honestly...if they don't show up to vote...they have nothing to complain about.
And to answer the thread question...the answer should be "1".
A missed vote should have a fine levied against that MP for failure to do their job.
Certain exceptions may be applied, provided they are in writing, and meet other criteria:
Doctor's note, family emergency, state of emergency in their area, etc....but just a "no-show"...issue the fine.
And then, miss more than (I'd use a percentage rather than a number) say 10% of all the votes...they are no longer eligible to run for office.
LOL the thread title is the question/problem
asshats that dont "earn" the money they are paid.
16 Re: how many absences should an MP get before their pay is cut and are prevented from running Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:47 pm
Deank
contributor eminence
"Nothing wrong with that part of the system. I have a clear picture in my
mind of Dion and the Liberals walking out on a vote. There was nothing
else that they could do , was there?"
vote for the bill.. or for against it and if its a confidence measure and it fails send the country to the ballot box again.
mind of Dion and the Liberals walking out on a vote. There was nothing
else that they could do , was there?"
vote for the bill.. or for against it and if its a confidence measure and it fails send the country to the ballot box again.
17 Re: how many absences should an MP get before their pay is cut and are prevented from running Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:49 pm
Jondo
major-contributor
We need an overhaul of the political process in general. I ust watched the debate on Youtube (missed it last night). Now more than ever I demand that the Bloc not be allowed on that stage. Christ - talking about how Quebec wants to be "it's own country". What a disgrace that nobody addresses this. I suspect once Harper has a majority - things like that will be clearly stated.
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