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1Border patrol reading text messages Empty Border patrol reading text messages Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:53 am

Bartron

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http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/manitoba/2010/07/10/14674896.html

What do you guys think? I think the guys a dumbass, but where do you draw the line in terms of privacy here?

2Border patrol reading text messages Empty Re: Border patrol reading text messages Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:58 am

grumpy old man

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Yikes! Dauphin dude is an idiot. I understand the police require a warrant to look through eMAIL and computers. Assuming that is correct, one would think a phone would be the same?

I think the border dude had no business looking through the phone. If it is legal, it shouldn't be.

3Border patrol reading text messages Empty Re: Border patrol reading text messages Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:42 am

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Apparently it is legal. Anything's fair game at the border.

GOM. Would you change your mind if they discovered a plot to blow up something?

This is just another lesson about our private information that we should be aware of.

4Border patrol reading text messages Empty Re: Border patrol reading text messages Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:49 am

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"I understand the police require a warrant to look through eMAIL and computers."

Police yes, CBS no. Just recently they nailed a guy with child porn... how do you feel about him?


Its fairly obvious the CBS were searching his car simply because they did not think he was telling the truth about the price of his car. They were looking for any sort of receipt.

5Border patrol reading text messages Empty Re: Border patrol reading text messages Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:00 am

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The guy blatantly lied to customs. He got caught, and that was reasonable grounds for the extra search. Simple solution to avoid situations like this? DON'T LIE TO CUSTOMS!

6Border patrol reading text messages Empty Re: Border patrol reading text messages Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:07 am

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I want the police/CBS to catch all the bad guys, including terrorists and child-porn sickos. BUT... where do we draw the line? Should the police be able to walk into your home and search as they see fit because they want to? Should the police tap your phone simply because they want to?

7Border patrol reading text messages Empty Re: Border patrol reading text messages Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:10 am

grumpy old man

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EdWin wrote:The guy blatantly lied to customs. He got caught, and that was reasonable grounds for the extra search. Simple solution to avoid situations like this? DON'T LIE TO CUSTOMS!
Ummmm, huh?

It was reasonable grounds because he was caught? Kinda' convoluted logic me thinks. You need reasonable grounds BEFORE being searched IMO.

Suspicions don't cut it IMO. I think some evidence/facts are in order first don'tcha think?

8Border patrol reading text messages Empty Re: Border patrol reading text messages Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:12 am

grumpy old man

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Deank wrote:Its fairly obvious the CBS were searching his car simply because they did not think he was telling the truth about the price of his car. They were looking for any sort of receipt.
Heh Ya figure that there was a receipt mixed in amoungst his text messages?

9Border patrol reading text messages Empty Re: Border patrol reading text messages Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:07 pm

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I agree (with you) GOM about the police and searches. However, I also believe that border guards should be able to look at everything....and I mean everything.

10Border patrol reading text messages Empty Re: Border patrol reading text messages Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:03 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:
EdWin wrote:The guy blatantly lied to customs. He got caught, and that was reasonable grounds for the extra search. Simple solution to avoid situations like this? DON'T LIE TO CUSTOMS!
Ummmm, huh?

It was reasonable grounds because he was caught? Kinda' convoluted logic me thinks. You need reasonable grounds BEFORE being searched IMO.

Suspicions don't cut it IMO. I think some evidence/facts are in order first don'tcha think?

My point is that if he didn't blatantly lie to customs, maybe they wouldn't have conducted that search. He brought attention to himself, and yes there was merit to the search. Again, if you want to avoid confrontation, DON'T LIE TO CUSTOMS!

11Border patrol reading text messages Empty Re: Border patrol reading text messages Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:03 pm

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grumpy old man wrote:I want the police/CBS to catch all the bad guys, including terrorists and child-porn sickos. BUT... where do we draw the line? Should the police be able to walk into your home and search as they see fit because they want to? Should the police tap your phone simply because they want to?

your home aint crossing the border Smile

12Border patrol reading text messages Empty Re: Border patrol reading text messages Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:22 pm

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It is if you live in a R.V!

13Border patrol reading text messages Empty Re: Border patrol reading text messages Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:54 pm

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At first, I don't like the idea of having customs going through my computer or anything like that. But honestly, its no different than them going through a notebook, or your receipts. Its all data you collect.

I wonder how cheap he said he got his car for if the difference in his claim and the real price cost him $5000 in taxes and fees. Sounds pretty bone headed to me.

14Border patrol reading text messages Empty Re: Border patrol reading text messages Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:59 am

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The guy is a pinhead.
He lied to customs officers about the purchase price of the vehicle. While he was inside the customs office a customs officer who was searching the car found his cell phone and read through the messages.
There are several ways this could have been prevented.
1. DONT LIE TO CUSTOMS OFFICIALS.
2. Password protect your cell phone or lock it.
3. Delete old txt messages, including the sent folder!
4. Dont leave your cell phone in your car.
5. DONT LIE TO CUSTOMS OFFICALS.
Simple. If you tell the truth, then you have nothing to worry about, unless you have been plotting terrorist or criminal activities.

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15Border patrol reading text messages Empty Re: Border patrol reading text messages Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:49 am

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That about sums it up LD. Do the right thing and don't lie...never mind just to custom officials....don't lie period.

16Border patrol reading text messages Empty Re: Border patrol reading text messages Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:03 pm

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If I was a customs official and caught that kid in a lie, I would have pulled out the air gun and started unbolting the car Wink .
"Because you lied to us once, we need to search for car for contriband. Yes, dismantling your car is S.O.P."

17Border patrol reading text messages Empty Re: Border patrol reading text messages Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:27 pm

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LivingDead wrote:The guy is a pinhead.
2. Password protect your cell phone or lock it.

I password protect my laptop and the border guards ask me to unlock it. I haven't asked what happens if I refuse to.

18Border patrol reading text messages Empty Re: Border patrol reading text messages Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:45 am

grumpy old man

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"I forgot the password"...

But this is still Canada. Innocent until proven guilty. That said, if you have something to hide don't bring your PC with you.

If you are so stupid as to leave incriminating evidence on your laptop/phone you deserve a) what's coming to you and 2) an extra stupidity tax.

Dauphin dude should get both a and 2.

19Border patrol reading text messages Empty Re: Border patrol reading text messages Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:50 am

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I bet they get to keep the laptop untill they can find the info they want to look at if you try and refuse or fail to provide the password. I wouldn't be surprised if they made you wait at the border for however long it takes them to crack it, or untill you give up and provide it to them.

I would not want to be stuck at the Border Services office while they took their time dealing with it. Better to just give up the info if you have nothing to hide. And if you are hiding something while crossing the border...well then your an idiot.

20Border patrol reading text messages Empty Re: Border patrol reading text messages Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:18 am

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"I bet they get to keep the laptop untill they can find the info they
want to look at if you try and refuse or fail to provide the password. I
wouldn't be surprised if they made you wait at the border for however
long it takes them to crack it, or untill you give up and provide it to
them."

True. However at one point you are in fact simply put in the nearest Jail cell.


"If I was a customs official and caught that kid in a lie, I would have
pulled out the air gun and started unbolting the car Wink ."

Totally agree. And yes they have done this to people before.

21Border patrol reading text messages Empty Re: Border patrol reading text messages Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:13 am

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grumpy old man wrote:Should the police tap your phone simply because they want to?

I think they searched the car because they were suspicious about the price he paid for the car, which raised some flags.

To claim it was simply because "they wanted to" is a gross simplification.

http://yaciuk.blogspot.com

22Border patrol reading text messages Empty Re: Border patrol reading text messages Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:28 am

grumpy old man

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Yes it is! But it is also a fact. In most other situations is not a warrant required? So I stand by my comment! Border patrol reading text messages Icon_smile

23Border patrol reading text messages Empty Re: Border patrol reading text messages Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:36 am

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" In most other situations is not a warrant required?"

not really no. As long as the cops have reasonable belief that the vehicle is currently being used for a crime they can search.

"There was a strong odour of Marijuana" is used so often it aint even funny.

24Border patrol reading text messages Empty Re: Border patrol reading text messages Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:07 am

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grumpy old man wrote:Yes it is! But it is also a fact. In most other situations is not a warrant required? So I stand by my comment! Border patrol reading text messages Icon_smile

LOL!

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25Border patrol reading text messages Empty Re: Border patrol reading text messages Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:36 pm

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Search the CAR - sure. But a computer IN the car?

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