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Would Quebec be better off if they separated from Canada?

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Northlands
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Would Quebec be better off if they separated from Canada?

Would Quebec be better off if they separated from Canada? Vote_lcap15%Would Quebec be better off if they separated from Canada? Vote_rcap 15% [ 2 ]
Would Quebec be better off if they separated from Canada? Vote_lcap46%Would Quebec be better off if they separated from Canada? Vote_rcap 46% [ 6 ]
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grumpy old man

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Canadians answer opinion poll on Quebec separatism

By ELIZABETH THOMPSON, Parliamentary Bureau

OTTAWA — A surprising 26% of Albertans and 15% of English Canadians believe Quebec would be better off if it were to separate, according to a new public opinion poll released exclusively to QMI.

However, the Leger Marketing poll conducted for the Association for Canadian Studies also found that those most likely to say Quebec should split are also the least likely to support bilingual federal government services across the country.

“The ‘allies’ of Quebec sovereignty in the rest of Canada seem less motivated by respect for Quebec’s difference than by cutting away from pan-Canadian policies that are endorsed by a vast majority of Quebecers,” said Jack Jedwab, executive director of the association.

The results of the poll, conducted in January, are being released as Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe begins a cross-country tour of Canada.

If the poll is any indication, he might get a warmer reception than expected in some regions.

While the majority of respondents in every region said Quebec should remain in Canada, there was significant support for sovereignty in some regions.

Quebecers were the most likely to agree Quebec would be better off if it were not part of Canada (39.9% versus 52.8% who disagreed).

But Albertans weren’t that far behind with 26% agreeing Quebec would be better off separate. Alberta’s 67.9% support for Quebec within Canada was the lowest level of support in English Canada.

In Manitoba and Saskatchewan, 22.3% of respondents said Quebec would be better off out of Canada compared to 73.5% who said it was better off inside Canada.

The lowest support for sovereignty was in New Brunswick at 5.3%, with 92.1% disagreeing, followed by Atlantic Canada at 8% with 83% disagreeing.

Ontario’s support for Quebec going it alone was also low at 11.1%, compared to 81.6% who felt it was better off in Canada.

In British Columbia, the support for a separate Quebec was 14.4%, well below the 71% who preferred to see Quebec in Canada.

Reached in New Brunswick, Duceppe said the results come as a surprise.

“It’s the first time I have sees that kind of question so it is the first time I have seen that kind of answer as well.”

Liberal MP Marc Garneau said the majority of Canadians want the country to remain united.

The poll of 1,500 respondents conducted by web panel in the last week of January is considered accurate to within 2.9 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

elizabeth.thompson@sunmedia.ca

I think mayhaps the poll should have asked would Canada be better off if Quebec separated.

holly golightly

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I have always maintained the position that if Quebec wants to leave this county, let them go with what they came into Confederation with, that little strip of land called Lower Canada. The rest of what is remaining can be reverted back to the Aboriginals and then those aborignals who don't like living on the reserves where they are (like the reserves here in Manitoba) are free to go to this new "province" and establish themselves as self suffecient "townships". This will solve 2 problems in this country, Quebec separating and the Aboriginals wanting to be considered a unique class within this country.

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The whole separation discussion is somewhat abstract and seems to revolve about this perception of a "nation". A poll like that needs to provide much more details on the reality of a separation, e.g. what proportion of the Canadian debt will go to Quebec. Also the quebeclers probably want to know how many peokple would leave the new country, and how much it would cost to establish currency, government, army, foreign relations, and all the stuff that comes with sovereignty. Wonder how many of those separatists would be willing to pay the taxes for all of this. The majority of Canada may be better off economically because we would not need bilingualism or dump money into QC. While the economics seem straightforward, I think the key really is more intangible as it relates to a national identity - you can't put a pricetag on that.

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evil troli I totally agree with you...

And here are just a few more tidbits in relation to say "If Quebec Separated" from Canada that I find some peeps generally don't usually take into consideration...

a) If Quebec separated while traveling within Canada we would "All" have to go through a different "Sovereign Country" and that means perhaps passports, other conditions or provisions etc and that is in relation to the way all or goods are transported and or while we may want to travel etc...and that applies to both air or land travel...

b) And then in relation to "Aboriginals Lands within Quebec"...Aboriginal Lands are not under "Provincial Jurisdiction/Legislation" but rather under "Federal Jurisdiction/Legislation" in Canada which simply means that even if Quebec separated the question of whether the Aboriginals would now be willing to follow Quebec or would they still stay within Canada would have to be resolved...

And some of these Aboriginal Lands border other provinces etc...

Either way huge issues that would have to be resolved if Quebec decided to separate from Canada...

And I have always said that Canada is and will always be better off with them then without them...

And I continue to say or believe that while we still can talk to each other and they are still our brothers and sisters and or our friends we should always be able to resolve whatever our differences are within Canada...while still being in Canada...

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I don't think Quebec should separate. I think Canada should send in troops and round up all the separatists, and then send them for political re-education (Stalin style).


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Northlands

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It's possible that there would be some benefits to the country if Quebec were to go on its own, but I really dislike the idea of having the entire east coast cut off from the rest of us because of it.

Deank

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How would the east coast be cut off from us?

Northlands

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Deank wrote:How would the east coast be cut off from us?

Well, in a physical driving to get there kind of way. I just wonder how the psychology of that would effect people. Have to go through Quebec to get there.

AGEsAces

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Actually, there was a recent interview on CBC which indicated Quebec is in talks with Newfoundland/Labrador to get them to separate with Quebec.

Their argument was something about Newfoundland and Labrador being their own countries at one time as well, so the they could support Quebec and share some of the resources to maintain the country.

So that would really leave NovaScotia and New Brunswick all alone in the East.

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grumpy old man

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And PEI...

If Quebec is talking with NFLD I'm certain that is for purely selfish reasons that would only really serve Quebec's interests. I can't see that happening under any circumstances.

New Brunswick maybe.

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I say 'whatever it takes' to get rid of Danny Williams. Smile

FlyingRat

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Can the Quebecois and the Newfoundlanders actually understand what the other is saying? LOL

Deank

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Northlands wrote:
Deank wrote:How would the east coast be cut off from us?

Well, in a physical driving to get there kind of way. I just wonder how the psychology of that would effect people. Have to go through Quebec to get there.

who said they get the whole province?

GGF

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Northlands wrote:

Deank wrote:How would the east coast be cut off from us?



Well, in a physical driving to get there kind of way. I just wonder how the psychology of that would effect people. Have to go through Quebec to get there.

Deank you wrote:

who said they get the whole province?

So who was it that said they wouldn't walk away with the whole province of Quebec one way or the other "without having had negotiated first" what would be "part of" a separation from Canada if one occurred?...

And that would be of course with "the assumption only" that negotiations could actually take place and both sides could agree in relation to the "Terms of a Separation" and instead of perhaps a bigger picture such as perhaps "civil disobedience" or "war breaking out" if both sides can't agree to the "Terms of a Separation" etc...

And then the other really, really big picture which is what could happen to Canada once the floodgates "Open" in relation to having one province separate...

Is it not entirely possible that another province may also want to also then separate from Canada?...

LivingDead

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Northlands wrote:It's possible that there would be some benefits to the country if Quebec were to go on its own, but I really dislike the idea of having the entire east coast cut off from the rest of us because of it.

Well if we give Quebec the lands that New France (Lower Canada)had prior to confederation, we would not be cut off. Plus Quebec hydro would have to pay Canada to use its land for their hydro electric generating stations.

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Deank

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"Plus Quebec hydro would have to pay Canada to use its land for their hydro electric generating stations"

and their transmission lines.
and their employees would have to apply for foriegn work visas or however that works,

GGF

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According to the apparent logic from some of the peeps in relation to what Quebec could possibly get if it separated from Canada...

A rhetorical question could perhaps now be raised in Canada while using perhaps really, really old maps or other...

If the "First Nations Peoples"perhaps also decided to "Separate from Canada" do they also get to "ONLY KEEP" what was or is "Their Lands" before "Confederation" or "other"?...

And then what could possibly happen to all those of us that came after and all our assets or wealth or perhaps land we accumulated since?...

I got it...

The "First Nations People" could perhaps possibly charge zillions of dollars for every Hydro pole left standing on their land and so on and now call it a "Lease Agreement" with "All" those people that came before or after "Confederation or until now" and or who are perhaps now "All landed immigrants or living within what is known today in 2010 as a country or nation called Canada"...No

LivingDead

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GGF wrote:According to the apparent logic from some of the peeps in relation to what Quebec could possibly get if it separated from Canada...

A rhetorical question could perhaps now be raised in Canada while using perhaps really, really old maps or other...

If the "First Nations Peoples"perhaps also decided to "Separate from Canada" do they also get to "ONLY KEEP" what was or is "Their Lands" before "Confederation" or "other"?...

And then what could possibly happen to all those of us that came after and all our assets or wealth or perhaps land we accumulated since?...

I got it...

The "First Nations People" could perhaps possibly charge zillions of dollars for every Hydro pole left standing on their land and so on and now call it a "Lease Agreement" with "All" those people that came before or after "Confederation or until now" and or who are perhaps now "All landed immigrants or living within what is known today in 2010 as a country or nation called Canada"...No

Well if you really want to get into it.

Even the so called Natives of this land are immigrants. There is proof that Europeans had been on North America nearly 5000 years before the arrival of the Asians (Today's Natives).

So, it boils down to this. Kick Quebec out of Confederation and take back all Crown Lands, if they want to re-join they will have to re-negotiate. Allow Natives to own property (on reservations) Let them sell it or make good use of it, but let them start making decisions and let them deal with the consequences.

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GGF

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LivingDead you wrote:

Well if you really want to get into it.

Even the so called Natives of this land are immigrants. There is proof that Europeans had been on North America nearly 5000 years before the arrival of the Asians (Today's Natives).

So, it boils down to this. Kick Quebec out of Confederation and take back all Crown Lands, if they want to re-join they will have to re-negotiate. Allow Natives to own property (on reservations) Let them sell it or make good use of it, but let them start making decisions and let them deal with the consequences.

So what exactly was "Crown Land" 5000 yrs ago?...

And what could the King or Queen might have looked like back then?...

Hum!...I got it...For the closest I can come up to a real clue would be to go visit the "Monkey cages" at the zoo...

And it should also be a really, really nice day in the peg today to boot also...

And "warning" don't be surprise if not much has changed in 5000 yrs...

lol!

LivingDead

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GGF wrote:LivingDead you wrote:

Well if you really want to get into it.

Even the so called Natives of this land are immigrants. There is proof that Europeans had been on North America nearly 5000 years before the arrival of the Asians (Today's Natives).

So, it boils down to this. Kick Quebec out of Confederation and take back all Crown Lands, if they want to re-join they will have to re-negotiate. Allow Natives to own property (on reservations) Let them sell it or make good use of it, but let them start making decisions and let them deal with the consequences.

So what exactly was "Crown Land" 5000 yrs ago?...

And what could the King or Queen might have looked like back then?...

Hum!...I got it...For the closest I can come up to a real clue would be to go visit the "Monkey cages" at the zoo...

And it should also be a really, really nice day in the peg today to boot also...

And "warning" don't be surprise if not much has changed in 5000 yrs...

lol!

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I shall start with you GGF. Please pack your belongings and leave this planet. But wait, since I am feeling merciful today, I shall allow you to continue to live on my planet for the low low fee of $1000.00 Canadian Dollars.

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