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1A Police Story? Empty A Police Story? Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:26 pm

death128

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Just a copy of a note I received.
This letter is circulating by email throughout the Winnipeg community, and describes the experience of a young Aboriginal woman who was arrested by the police recently.

Roanna Hepburn
ADDY & Contact removed

March 5, 2009
Chief Keith McCaskill
City of Winnipeg Police
Winnipeg, MB

Dear Chief McCaskill:
RE Incident CO9-*******

I wish to bring to your attention the grave matter of a vicious assault on my granddaughter by five members of the Winnipeg Police.

The following events were told to me by my granddaughter, S NAME REMOVED, age 18, of ADDRESS REMOVED. On Sunday, March 1, 2009, S was in an argument with some girls at the Robins Donuts on the corner of Salter and Selkirk Avenue at approximately 6:30 p.m. The police were called because of the disturbance. Once the police arrived at the Robins Donut Shop, S ran outside. The police pursued and grabbed her by her hair. She slipped to the ground and the police pulled her up by her hair. The police told her to cooperate or they would taser her. At that time S stopped and put her hands behind her back and she was handcuffed. The police slammed S’s head over the police car and patted her down . They again pulled her by the hair and hit her head on the roof of the car as they shoved her forcefully into the back seat of the car, calling her a “dirty Indian”. S got mad at their deliberate act of hitting her head into the car and calling her names. Once in the back seat of the car, she began to kick at the door and window because she was being abused by the officers. An officer was at each door – one was strapping S’s legs and the other one, Cst. Prociuk, #2423, was gripping S’s face with force and she began to struggle, which made it difficult to secure her legs. S then received a few hits to her body from the officer attempting to secure her legs. S then bit into the officer’s gloved finger that was over her mouth and nose. He yelled at her to let go and S mumbled “you first”. Admittedly this was the wrong thing to do, but at this point she could not understand why she was being assaulted like this and was trying to protect herself from these men.

At this time the two police in the cruiser car took her to the Hartford police station. S again asked them to please take her home, and one of the police in the front responded by saying “You want to go home to F___ your Indian daddy?”. Racial slurs continued throughout the ride to the Hartford station,and she was called a “dirty Indian” several times. Upon arriving at the Hartford station, she was approached by another officer who said “you like to bite police officers?” and proceeded to hit her in the face, causing her nose to bleed. She was then knocked to the floor and dragged into a room and repeatedly slammed against the wall, knocked to the floor again and handcuffed to a bench. At this time more police appeared and the police began kicking her in the ribs, kicking her legs, kicking her arms, kicking her in the stomach, punching her in the face , and pulling her hair. All this took place while S was lying helpless on the floor handcuffed to a bench. Throughout this beating she was also assaulted by a barrage of racial slurs . S is not sure how long this assault took place, but she thinks it was around 45 minutes. Of course, all this time S was wondering why on earth she was receiving this horrendous treatment at the hands of five police. As S lay bleeding on the floor and terrified, a police officer came into the room with a white paper towel. S asked “what is that?” The officer replied it was something to “knock you out for awhile”. As they tried to put it over her face, she struggled to prevent them from putting it over her face, thinking they were trying to knock her out. Actually, it was only a wet paper towel to wash the blood off her face. This is one more incident of terrorizing her. S weighs approximately 120 pounds and was totally bruised from head to foot from this incident and at that point she thought she had some broken ribs. S was taken to the Health Science Centre on March 3, the morning after her release from jail, and all her injuries have been documented.

Unknown to the police, S had her cell phone when she was put in the police car. When briefly left alone in the room where she was beaten, she called a friend, who listened to 15 minutes of S screaming while being yelled at and beaten. This friend has documented the phone call and submitted to LERA. At one point S was also able to call her mom who heard S screaming into the phone “Mom, help me, help me, they are beating me”. A second call was placed to her mom, at which point her mom heard a man yell “who are you talking to” and the line then went dead. We later learned this was when the police threw her phone across the room upon discovering S had it.

After hearing this call, S’s mom, M, and myself went to the Hartford station to see if they knew anything of this incident, thinking that S had been beaten up by some kids or gang. We were told that S had been taken to the Remand Centre and charged with assaulting a police officer. The officer who was bitten, Cst. Prociuk, showed us his finger and said he had had gloves on when S bit him and the skin was not broken. We saw no evidence of bite marks at all on the finger . We were very concerned about why S would have done this and told the officer S had never been in trouble before and she would be there to apologize to him upon her release. We explained that S was a responsible young woman and held down a full-time job. We also told him about the two phone calls to her mom, at which time he asked to see S’s mother’s cell phone . We later discovered Cst. Prociuk, in fact, deleted the phone numbers from M’s cell phone indicating that S had called her during the time she was at the Hartford Station.

We were told by Cst. Prociuk that we could not see S that night. It was not until Monday evening, March 2, that S was able to call her mother and tell her exactly what happened, that it was the police who had beaten her. When S did appear in Video Court, the presiding judge granted bail with very strict conditions of release. Two different lawyers acknowledged to us that police at the Hartford Station do this “all the time,” and “get away with it because it was almost impossible to prove.”

Not only has my granddaughter been traumatized by her experience with the Winnipeg Police, but those of us around her who have worked for decades to foster positive relationships with community members and the police are stunned and disheartened. Just recently, my colleague, Dr. Eveline Milliken, participated in the Crime Prevention through Social Development Conference (January 15, 16 & 17). I am Sel Burrow’s Co-Chair of the Point Douglas Residents’ Committee and we have worked hard with police to make our community a better place. While we are certainly upset about what has happened to my granddaughter S, we are also very concerned that this is not an isolated case, and that other young people are the targets of police assaults and racial slurs.

The Winnipeg Police, as public servants of the City of Winnipeg, work on a relationship of trust with their constituents and incidents like this are terribly damaging to the good work the police can be doing. You cannot do your job and be respected and be role models for young people with unprofessional behavior such as beating and illegally assaulting people. I realize that most police do not behave in this manner.

However, we must do everything possible to prevent unprofessional behavior such as this from ever happening.
As a grandmother I am sickened to think of this abuse to my granddaughter and to think of her lying on the floor being kicked and beaten and degraded by the very people we have taught her to respect. As a Winnipeg resident I demand a full formal investigation be made into this hideous incident. The abuse of police power must stop.

Sincerely,

Roanna Hepburn
cc: Sam Katz, Mayor, City of Winnipeg
Law Enforcement Review Agency
Nahanni Fontaine, Southern Chiefs Organization
Mike Pagtakhan, City Counsellor, Point Douglas Ward
Harry Lazarenko, City Counsellor, Mynarski Ward
Dan Vandal, City Counsellor, St. Boniface Ward
Hon. George Hickes, MLA, Point Douglas
Judy Wasylycia-Leis, MP, Winnipeg North
Hon. Gord McIntosh, MLA, St. Johns
Hon. Dave Chomiak, MLA, Kildonan
Greg Selinger, MLA, S. Boniface
Gord Steeves, Chair, Standing Policy Committee on Protection and Community Services
George Forrest, Chair of Police Advisory Board, City of Winnipeg
Brian Cyncora, Inspector, Hartford Station
COP Watch
Sel Burrows



Last edited by death128 on Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:39 pm; edited 6 times in total (Reason for editing : Removed Addy, Name; Added spaces after edit screw up. Incident number removed.)

2A Police Story? Empty Re: A Police Story? Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:30 pm

Deank

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oh god that is sicking to read.

3A Police Story? Empty Re: A Police Story? Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:52 pm

death128

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Could be true. This is just a copy of what I received. I've done no verifying of anything. The power of the internet. LOL

4A Police Story? Empty Re: A Police Story? Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:01 pm

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And once again, you are going to turn this serious issue into something racial by claiming that all Aboriginals are hard done by police and that all aboriginals are all saints blah blah blah. You do it here and on other forums.

Please put the race card away. You are too predictable.

5A Police Story? Empty Re: A Police Story? Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:11 pm

EdWin

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I'm sorry if I sound insensitive, as this story was truly disgusting, but death does this all the time, trying to turn something into a racial issue. The Winnipeg police seem to be having some serious issues but I feel that death just wants to use it to promote some great racial scandle, and I'm not buying it. Sorry. It's just too predictable.



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6A Police Story? Empty Re: A Police Story? Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:12 pm

death128

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LOL. I'll just say what I always say... If there were more visibly aboriginal people in the WPS the name calling obviously wouldn't happen.

I suggest you actually read my posts. You're obviously not reading them. o.O And you're basing your reaction on pre-conceived notions based on the colour of my skin. >.< You know what that's called. LMAO

7A Police Story? Empty Re: A Police Story? Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:13 pm

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death128 wrote:LOL. I'll just say what I always say... If there were more visibly aboriginal people in the WPS the name calling obviously wouldn't happen.

I suggest you actually read my posts. You're obviously not reading them. o.O And you're basing your reaction on pre-conceived notions based on the colour of my skin. >.< You know what that's called. LMAO

Where in my last two posts did I say anything about the color of your skin? Show me.

It's a conspiracy death, we are all out to get aboriginals.... DA DA DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

LOL LOL LOL!

8A Police Story? Empty Re: A Police Story? Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:18 pm

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Well obviously any police beating on somebody like that is totally unacceptable, but it probably wouldn't have happened if she didn't run, resist arrest and bite the cop.

9A Police Story? Empty Re: A Police Story? Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:38 pm

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EdWin wrote:I'm sorry if I sound insensitive, as this story was truly disgusting, but death does this all the time, trying to turn something into a racial issue. The Winnipeg police seem to be having some serious issues but I feel that death just wants to use it to promote some great racial scandle, and I'm not buying it. Sorry. It's just too predictable.
Edwin,Edwin........go to another forum and reread what you have to say about aboriginals.....

10A Police Story? Empty Re: A Police Story? Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:40 pm

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eastsider wrote:
EdWin wrote:I'm sorry if I sound insensitive, as this story was truly disgusting, but death does this all the time, trying to turn something into a racial issue. The Winnipeg police seem to be having some serious issues but I feel that death just wants to use it to promote some great racial scandle, and I'm not buying it. Sorry. It's just too predictable.
Edwin,Edwin........go to another forum and reread what you have to say about aboriginals.....

eastsider eastsider.........let's leave our love-hate relationship in New Winnipeg, shall we???

All I have ever said was that aboriginals should be responsible for their own destiny and that government handouts arn't the way to help aboriginal people. And you had better label the majority of people on this forum in the same manner, because that is exactly the way they feel as well. Please leave the "racist" card in NW, ok?



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11A Police Story? Empty Re: A Police Story? Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:42 pm

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If there were more visible Aboriginals in the police then.....
That is ignorant. The only thing preventing that is that very few indians go through the training and apply to the force. Period. The WPS hire all or most indians that do. What do you want the WPS to do - pick some off the street and give them a badge and a paycheque?

12A Police Story? Empty Re: A Police Story? Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:46 pm

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EdWin wrote:
eastsider wrote:
EdWin wrote:I'm sorry if I sound insensitive, as this story was truly disgusting, but death does this all the time, trying to turn something into a racial issue. The Winnipeg police seem to be having some serious issues but I feel that death just wants to use it to promote some great racial scandle, and I'm not buying it. Sorry. It's just too predictable.
Edwin,Edwin........go to another forum and reread what you have to say about aboriginals.....

eastsider eastsider.........let's leave our love-hate relationship in New Winnipeg, shall we???

All I have ever said was that aboriginals should be responsible for their own destiny and that government handouts arn't the way to help aboriginal people. And you had better label the majority of people on this forum in the same manner, because that is exactly the way they feel as well. Please leave the "racist" card in NW, ok?
hmmmmmmm ok,have it your way but I know what I know and nothing will change that.

13A Police Story? Empty Re: A Police Story? Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:49 pm

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eastsider wrote:
EdWin wrote:
eastsider wrote:
EdWin wrote:I'm sorry if I sound insensitive, as this story was truly disgusting, but death does this all the time, trying to turn something into a racial issue. The Winnipeg police seem to be having some serious issues but I feel that death just wants to use it to promote some great racial scandle, and I'm not buying it. Sorry. It's just too predictable.
Edwin,Edwin........go to another forum and reread what you have to say about aboriginals.....

eastsider eastsider.........let's leave our love-hate relationship in New Winnipeg, shall we???

All I have ever said was that aboriginals should be responsible for their own destiny and that government handouts arn't the way to help aboriginal people. And you had better label the majority of people on this forum in the same manner, because that is exactly the way they feel as well. Please leave the "racist" card in NW, ok?
hmmmmmmm ok,have it your way but I know what I know and nothing will change that.

Which isn't much.

14A Police Story? Empty Re: A Police Story? Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:53 pm

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Well Edwin, I know enough to keep a positive spirit and look at the bright side of things, in everything I do.

15A Police Story? Empty Re: A Police Story? Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:56 pm

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eastsider wrote:Well Edwin, I know enough to keep a positive spirit and look at the bright side of things, in everything I do.

Well, that's just jim dandy.

16A Police Story? Empty Re: A Police Story? Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:49 am

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Jondo wrote:If there were more visible Aboriginals in the police then.....
That is ignorant. The only thing preventing that is that very few indians go through the training and apply to the force. Period. The WPS hire all or most indians that do. What do you want the WPS to do - pick some off the street and give them a badge and a paycheque?

http://winnipeg.ca/police/PDFs/Winnipeg_Police_Service_CALEA_Report.pdf

Page 14.

Just because the current system is in place doesn't make that system sufficient.

17A Police Story? Empty Re: A Police Story? Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:47 am

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Well, if this lady (a friend of Sel Burrows) says it happened that way, then it happened that way, right?? Three sides to every story, yours, mine and the truth.

PS What time is the Chiefs' press conference called for?

18A Police Story? Empty Re: A Police Story? Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:51 am

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Speaking of that...who is this Sel Burrows dude and when did he become the expert on everything. Never heard of the guy before. Why is he always called upon for advice?

19A Police Story? Empty Re: A Police Story? Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:12 am

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death128 wrote:Could be true. This is just a copy of what I received. I've done no verifying of anything. The power of the internet. LOL
Could also be bull sh1t. I realize that you've just copied what you received, but when someone makes an accusation like this public, should there not be some onus to provide independent corroborating evidence. Rodney King had the videotape. This amounts to a he said, she said deal.

20A Police Story? Empty Re: A Police Story? Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:13 am

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Freeman wrote:What time is the Chiefs' press conference called for?

Any minute now. I"m just waiting for that loonytoon Terry Nelson to start demanding compensation and uttering threats towards the WPS and all non-aboriginals in general, like he usually does.



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21A Police Story? Empty Re: A Police Story? Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:15 am

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Terry Nelson would be willing to accept money in order to make this complaint go away.

22A Police Story? Empty Re: A Police Story? Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:32 am

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This story hasn't told us why this girl was put into the police car! What was the complaint all about, and why would any sane person fight with the police while handcuffed? Kick out the window of the police car? How do we get the whole story?
The letter is certainly not believable! Full of questionable facts!
120 pounds is probably not accurate, judging my encounter going back many months 3 blocks away from this spot.
If the girl had just finished a latte and 2 chocolate donuts, this action is the responsibility of the donut shop!!

http://www.elansofas.com

23A Police Story? Empty Re: A Police Story? Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:12 am

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JTF wrote:Speaking of that...who is this Sel Burrows dude and when did he become the expert on everything. Never heard of the guy before. Why is he always called upon for advice?

Sel Burrows... started out living North of da Peg... umm Gimli? no that dont sound right.. anyway.... when the "2 Billion in Family Hands" was allowed to be transfered out of the country with no taxes... Sel stood up and said... wait.. what??? NO NO NO!....
And whatever after that.

Then Sel moved to Winnipeg after retirement, namely into the point douglas area. Since he is a retiree, reasonably well educated and has a history of standing up for the little guy... when he moved here he noticed all the things wrong with he area and started working on it. He has a loud enough voice that regardless how much work other people have put into stuff.. he somehow comes out on top. what makes him an expert? Absolutely nothing. He Just knows how to yell loudly to the right people.

24A Police Story? Empty Re: A Police Story? Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:22 am

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Sounds like someone with too much time on his hands.

25A Police Story? Empty Re: A Police Story? Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:44 am

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Why does the media go to him for answers?

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